Sex & Love

The Etiquette of Jewish Breakups

We all know that “in a relationship” status on Facebook doesn’t guarantee a ‘Happily Ever After.’   Just because a Nice Jewish Girl is dating a Nice Jewish Boy doesn’t mean that they are automatically right for each other, as I … Read More

By / January 20, 2009

We all know that “in a relationship” status on Facebook doesn’t guarantee a ‘Happily Ever After.’   Just because a Nice Jewish Girl is dating a Nice Jewish Boy doesn’t mean that they are automatically right for each other, as I discovered with Bike Boy.  Although our relationship started sweetly enough, we ended it with a mutual understanding we really were not a good match.

Unfortunately, I haven’t always gone through such amicable splits – like the guy who dumped me a few days after we put a $500 deposit on my credit card for our vacation in Sonoma or the guy who told me after several weeks of, um…intimacy that not only was he not over his ex-girlfriend, but if he was he would rather be dating someone else (how low on this list was I?).  Okay, so I’ve never been dumped by post-it note or text message, but I know that my boys have trolled on-line dating sites before we ended things and have been cheated on more times than I’d care to admit (on the bright side two of my exes eventually married and had children with the women they were cheating on me with). So what does Judaism say about breakup etiquette?  Isn’t the Ketubah just a pre-nuptial agreement that states that the husband must provide food, clothing and marital relations to his wife, and that he will pay a specified sum of money if he divorces her?  It sounds pretty good until you consider the misogynistic process of a traditional Jewish divorce and how her ex-husband can refuse to grant a Get, thus denying her the ability to remarry. But what are Nice Jewish Boys and Girls taught about dating?  Since I’m thinking about casting my lot exclusively within the Tribe I’m curious about what I could come to expect among the yids.  Anyone have any breakup tales to share?

  • Nick

    I guess enivitability kicks in as the months stream by from the time when your happiness was at its apex. Holding on to ur first love is arduous and painful even when u only live an hour plane flight away, but I guess that’s what happens when ur just a bartender in syracuse and she’s starting her professional career in manhattan. How do u accept the loss when you feel as if u still have a small opportunity to improve ur social status whereupon some day you plan to move, find her, and reintroduce the love that was once shared?

  • mikewinddale

    I find your observation that "the movements [are] more alike than they like to acknowledge" is a peculiar one. I personally would say Reform and Conservative are alike, and Reconstructionism too (I used to daven in a Reconstructionist shul, and while they had their own peculiar nuances, it was more or less Reform/Conservative in most details). But with Orthodoxy, I cannot see the resemblance. Could you please elaborate?

  • Barbara Reader

    If you looked at my profile, that I was raised Reform, become Conservative as a young adult, became Modern Orthodox about the time I turned 30.  After a number of years, in which I continuted to take courses at JTS as well as with Orthodox rabbis, I have floated off.  I have no pretense of consistancy in my personal views.  Aside from Reconstructist, I find the movements more alike than they like to acknowledge.

  • mikewinddale

    Thank you! Is your disagreement to the left or right?

    I might emphasize again that the more moderate Orthodox (i.e. to the right of me, i.e. centrist Modern Orthodoxy) opinion still carries a TREMENDOUS amount of weight with me. If I had to choose between it (Modern Orthodoxy) and non-Orthodoxy (especially Reform), I’d certainly choose standard Modern Orthodoxy. I.e., if I had to take a choice between apologetic and strained accomodation between modernity and traditionalism on the one hand (however much dissonance there may be), and unstifled, uninhibited modernity on the other, I’d choose the former.

    But what if Modern Orthodoxy were not a choice at all? What if the choice were modernity (Reform) versus Ultra-Orthodoxy? In that case, I don’t know. Theoretically, I’d value what is Divine and Sinaitic over what is not, but if Ultra-Orthodoxy were the only Orthodox choice, I’d probably doubt whether it is really Sinaitic/Divine in the first place. I.e., were it not for Modern Orthodoxy, I’d probably doubt Judaism per se, and just abandon the entire enterprise.

    So barring Rav Berkovits’s left-wing Modern Orthodoxy, I’d heartily choose dissonance-strained Modern Orthodoxy over anything else. Standard Modern Orthodoxy still carries a tremendous amount of weight with me, and is the next-closest thing (in my opinion) to what G-d intended at Sinai.

  • Barbara Reader

    I want to thank you for your interesting posts, even if I’m not entirely in agreement, I thought the effort was good and showed a lot of thought and hard work.

  • mikewinddale

    In my above post, I deal with two disparate issues:

    1) Orthodox hyper-legalism, at the expense of ethical propriety
    2) The struggle between modernity and traditionalism

    Regarding the first (viz. hyper-legalism), I cited http://seforim.traditiononline.org/index.cfm/2008/8/29/Responses-to-Comments-and-Elaborations-of-Previous-Posts-III, section 5.

    I just realized that the first URL (viz. http://seforim.traditiononline.org/index.cfm/2008/8/29/Responses-to-Comments-and-Elaborations-of-Previous-Posts-III, section 5) is also relevant to our second issue (viz. modernity and traditionalism).

    To explain:

    What is the problem with hyper-legalism? The issue is that it ignores the spirit of the law; one may find legal means to do almost anything, but one must ask, is this really the intent of the law? The most common examples are using loopholes to steal, etc.

    But truly, the same objection could be raised against those Modern Orthodox who wish to be moderately feminist, i.e. those who try to accomodate both traditionalism and modernity.

    For those who staunchly uphold the traditional laws with no thought of modernity at all, there is great internal consistency; the law says woman cannot do such-and-such, and so we will hold today. But what about those Modern Orthodox who try to cautiously incorporate feminism into halakhah? Even if they find a legal loophole to permit this, is this not violating the spirit of the law? Honestly, if the law demands women to be disadvantaged, then any way we find to assist women, even if we have a legal peg to do so, have we not violated the misogynistic spirit of the law?

    In other words, keeping to the spirit of the law cuts both ways. In our case, being feminist and Orthodox seems to violate the spirit of the law. It is for this additional reason that I could not live with the moderate Modern Orthodox position (viz. position 2). Either be a misogynistic Orthodox who holds strictly by the letter of the law (and its ostensibly misogynistic spirit), or rebel and go against both sexist law and sexist spirit! If you’re going to be something, be it all the way! But to go only halfway and try to accomodate an understanding between traditionalism and sexism, this is untenable, and the sexist spirit of the law will be violated by the feminist alterations to the law.

    I have set forth this all at http://michaelmakovi.blogspot.com/2009/01/for-some-time-ive-been-troubled-by.html

    Postscript: I think the most remarkable thing about Rabbi Berkovits was that he had
    the courage to say what he did. In an era where Orthodox Judaism is on the
    defensive if not the retreat, Rabbi Berkovits had the vision to suggest
    Judaism is its own dignified and authentic civilization, with its own
    culture and its own legitimate claim to a true organic material life.
    More, as his son, Rabbi Dov Berkovits puts it, "I think it safe to say
    that Eliezer Berkovits used the well-worn phrase “halachic Judaism” in
    two revolutionary ways. First, though springing from the fundamental
    commitments of Orthodoxy, halachic Judaism according to Berkovits
    refers to a non-denominational, or better, a post-denominational,
    Judaism whose ultimate concern is not with ideology, or even theology,
    but with the living demands of the dynamic condition of the Jewish
    people. Second, though deeply rooted in the wisdom of the Tora, the
    central aim of halachic Judaism is not to formulate a defensive,
    traditionalist posture for the protection of Tora from life, but rather
    to be a formative tool for the creative fashioning of human realities."

  • mikewinddale

    Actually, to confess, my response above was a bit disingenuous:

    First, I said,

    "First, the Talmud, Rambam, Shulchan Aruch, etc., were all compiled
    long before "dating" existed. … So if one wants to inquire about Judaism’s dating etiquette, one
    must be prepared to think extralegally. "Glatt kosher? Glott yosher!"
    and "V’ahavta l’reacha kamocha" are good places to start. I think the
    answer, however, will be quite simple to find, and it doesn’t take a
    lamdan or talmid hacham to figure it out."

    I honestly believe this is completely true, but truth be told, the Orthodox world is sorely lacking in this. See http://seforim.traditiononline.org/index.cfm/2008/8/29/Responses-to-Comments-and-Elaborations-of-Previous-Posts-III, s. v. "5. In recent years a few volumes from the writings of R. Yehudah Amital…" There, the author (Professor Marc B. Shapiro) quotes Rabbi Yehuda Amital, Rabbi Moshe Shmuel Glasner, Rabbi Yehiel Yaakov Weinberg, and others, regarding the fact that many Orthodox Jews are tragically short on ethical sense, rather relying on strict legality, even where the moral purpose is thereby lost. Rav Hirsch (and his descendants via his son-in-law) would quip, "Glatt kosher? Glatt yoshor!" ["yoshor" means "straight, upright", i.e. ethical propriety]. 

    So I believe that what I said is true, but truth be told, this doesn’t mean that all Orthodox Jews, or even most, will live up to it. Rabbi Yehiel Yaakov Weinberg (gadol hador of pre-WWII Germany) confessed in his private letters to HUC Professor Samuel Atlas that he feared for the future of Orthodoxy, based on this. His letters are truly heartrending (I am crying now, thinking of what he wrote).

    ————

    My second response was also disingenuous. I cited Rabbi Eliezer Berkovits as supporting greater womens’ rights (interestingly, Rabbi Berkovits learned under both Rabbi Weinberg, and Rabbi Glasner’s son; I cited Rabbis Weinberg and Glasner above, regarding ethical propriety), but truth be told, this would be a minority opinion in Orthodoxy.

    Obviously, if Orthodoxy believes its laws are Sinaitic, there will be great opposition to altering anything at all. I don’t think I need to explain why this is so; if one understands Orthodoxy’s premises and axioms, then opposition to expanding womens’ rights shouldn’t be difficult to fathom. It doesn’t even have to mean any misogyny; there are plenty of Orthodox rabbis who valiantly engage in apologetics, honestly and truly sympathizing with the feminists, but feeling more strongly that they must defend what they hold is Sinaitic. They are torn between what seem to be valid claims by the feminists on the one hand, and by what they hold is Divine, on the other. They do their best, usually trying to apologetically justify the halakhah even as they just to bridge the gap by making things as equitable as they can, without stressing the halakhah overmuch (for example: only a man can divorce his wife, but if he refuses, a prenuptial stipulates that he must pay enormous sums of money until he divorces her; the ostensibly sexist halakhah that only a man can divorce is retained, but they truly do sympathize with the woman, and try to help her as best they know how).

    So we could make three views:

    1) Orthodox views that lack any sympathy with women and feminism at all. These ones, I believe we will all agree, are beyond the pale, and we may ignore them.
    2) Most Modern Orthodoxy, which sympathizes with women, but more strongly feels obligated by what is Divine and Sinaitic. Torn between the two, they do the best they know how, apologetically justifying the halakhah even as they attempt to update the halakhah as much as they can without radically changing it.
    3) Rabbi Eliezer Berkovits’s minority opinion, which I set out above.

    So I was disingenuous above, insofar as I cited only 3 and not 2. (However, I feel no guilt over having ignored 1, as I am as disgusted with them as anyone else is. My guilt is only that I did not cite 2.)

    As for 2, I sympathize with this position, since I too feel this struggle, this rift. However, after some time, I’ve come to the conclusion that 2 is simply not tenable to live one’s life by. Both 1 and 3 fit according to certain premises, and have perfect internal consistency. But the problem with 2 is that it is torn between two worlds, and knows not how to reconcile them. Position at 1 is at home with its misogyny, and 3 is at home with trying to do whatever it takes (within halakhah), however radical it may be, to solve the sexism. But 2 tries to somehow balance modernity with traditionalism, and this balancing act leads to an unstable inconsistency. And what happens if you cannot believe your own apologetics?

    Again, position 2 is not being disingenous; they truly do believe their apologetics. They are not being sexist while trying to lie and say they are not sexist. Rather, they honestly feel two impulses, one for egalitarianism and one for traditionalism, and either they must be torn asunder, or they must somehow accomodate the two. But this ultimately leads to some sort of dissonance or split personality, in all but the strongest individuals. As Rabbi Yehiel Yaakov Weinberg (Orthodox gadol hador of pre-WWII Germany) says elsewhere, in a different context, in the afformentioned letters to HUC Professor Samuel Atlas, "Can we uproot our Torah teaching with apologetic formulae or clever deceptions? G-d knows that I have written this with the blood of my heart, the blood of my soul."

    As I set out elsewhere, at http://michaelmakovi.blogspot.com/2009/01/for-some-time-ive-been-troubled-by.html, it is for all this that I ultimately chose Rabbi Berkovits’s position (again, Rabbi Berkovits was the student of Rabbi Weinberg). The dissonance was simply too much, and ultimately, one must go to one side or the other.

  • Barbara Reader

    Traditionally, people didn’t date at all.  Matches were set up by parents and guardians.  Expect to be dumped in the same way as you would anyone else with a similar personality.

    I have twice been invited to a (free) event by a boyfriend who also invited his new girlfriend, and who broke up with me by telling me he had a new girlfriend and wouldn’t be spending the evening with me.  One of these guys was after a 6 months relationship, the other just over a year.  One of them then spent the whole evening making out in public.  The other just was… shall we say affectionate all evening. (Yes, I left, but I had friends there).  Over the phone or by e-mail might have been better.

    Then there was the guy who planned a vacation with me and switched out at the last minute.  It was not something I could do alone, and I couldn’t switch my vacation time.

    My ex-husband left after I supported him through two graduate degrees and a stint in a Yeshiva, on the day we agreed I could start getting pregnant… after many years of marriage.

  • jkaplan84

    My first Jewish boyfriend dumped through an email. That’s pretty bad, right?

  • mikewinddale
  • mikewinddale

    I wish to comment on your paragraph, "So what does Judaism say about breakup etiquette?  Isn’t the Ketubah just a pre-nuptial agreement that states that the husband must provide food, clothing and marital relations to his wife, and that he will pay a specified sum of money if he divorces her?  It sounds pretty good until you consider the misogynistic process of a traditional Jewish divorce and how her ex-husband can refuse to grant a Get, thus denying her the ability to remarry."

    I think this is an unfair criticism.

    First, the Talmud, Rambam, Shulchan Aruch, etc., were all compiled long before "dating" existed. Back then, your parents or neighbors would arrange a match, all the details were worked out, and the marriage date was set. If the man could carry a healthy load of lumber or lay bricks well, and the wife could labor over a cauldron, the match was a good one. Not to say that love didn’t exist, but the concept of dating to find someone with compatible traits was nonexistent. Life was too short and laborous.

    So if one wants to inquire about Judaism’s dating etiquette, one must be prepared to think extralegally. "Glatt kosher? Glott yosher!" and "V’ahavta l’reacha kamocha" are good places to start. I think the answer, however, will be quite simple to find, and it doesn’t take a lamdan or talmid hacham to figure it out.

    As for your criticism of the get, this is unfair for the same reason. "The Torah was given in the language of men", and so had it, in 2400 BCE, spoke of equality of the sexes, people would have balked in contempt, if not been totally bamboozled out of their wits. If the Torah had spoken in such a manner, it may as well have been written in Swahili.

    Since the Torah was given in the sort of society that it was, G-d had to work within that society’s parameters and modes of understanding, and "sanctify the mundane". Rav Kook, in an essay on Assyriology, says that if any aspect of contemporary culture of that era could retained and be adapted towards holiness, then such would be done. He says this to explain why the Torah resembles the Code of Hammurabi, but we can adapt his words for our present purposes.

    Rabbi Eliezer Berkovits makes this more explicit, in his essay in Crisis and Faith: he notes numerous cases where the Torah "spoke to the yetzer hara" and offered but a concession to human nature, and he says Judaism’s laws of women are the same. We must note that the Torah’s and Talmud’s laws are leagues ahead of where the contemporary world was. Rambam rules that a woman must wash her husband’s face, but not his relatives’ faces, for she is not a slave. To us, this law is despicable, but back then, it was truly a step forward. (Thus too the ketuba; in an era when men could end a divorce for any reason, without owing his divorcee anything, this agreement obligated him to provide for her wellbeing even after the divorce.)

    But if these laws are outdated today, this does not mean that we can blithely strike out the Torah’s laws, G-d forbid. Rav Samson Raphael Hirsch says ("Judaism Up To Date"/"The Jew and His Time") that Judaism never strove to be "up to date"; was Avraham’s Judaism "up to date" when he smashed the idols? The Maccabees’ when they declared war on Hellenism? We never find that Judaism strove to be "up to date". And whenever "the times" and Judaism were in accord, it was only because Judaism’s ethics and teachers had percolated down to the non-Jewish world and uplifted them.

    Rabbi Berkovits would be in complete agreement with Rav Hirsch. He says that our course is not to strike out the Torah, G-d forbid, but rather, to use its own internal methods to update itself. As Rav Berkovits sets forth in many places (most notably, in "Not in Heaven: The Nature and Function of Halakha" and "Halakhah: Kocha v’Tafkida", and elswhere in "Towards Historic Judaism" and "Between Yesterday and Tomorrow", and reprinted recently in "Essential Essays on Judaism", ed. Hazony), following his teacher (viz. Rabbi Akiva Glasner)’s father Rabbi Moshe Shmuel Glasner, the Oral Law was originally much more flexible than it is today. (See http://www.math.psu.edu/glasner/Dor4/dorrevii_elman.pdf and http://www.math.psu.edu/glasner/Dor4/elman.html for why; both are the same article, but one in HTML, the other in PDF. This explanation is followed by Rabbi Berkovits, and also by Rabbi Dr. Isidore Epstein in his Foreword to the Soncino Midrash Rabbah.)Tragically, the original flexibility of the Oral Law may be forever lost, but we can nevertheless use whatever of its original nature is still remaining to enliven the halakhah.

    Rav Berkovits notes that his own father, who learned little besides Shas and poskim, treated the domestic servant better than Rambam prescribes for one’s wife. He says no true Orthodox Jew can live comfortably with halakhah’s sexual disparity. But, he says, this is NOT because we are "modern" Jews, or "Enlightenment" Jews, or "Reform" Jews. No, he says; it is because – we are Jews! This is what the Talmud has made us, he declares. Any reservations we have about halakhah’s treatment of women is due not to modern values, but due to halakhah. (If anything, the modern world has its egalitarian and/or feminist values due to Judaism, not the other way around. These are my words, based on Rav Hirsch, not Rav Berkovits’s.)

    Rav Berkovits notes that the Sages found ways for Deborah to be a Judge, for women to give testimony about agunot, and other matters which actually violate the normative halakhah. Is it so difficult for us today to the same, only for all women, and not only for specific women? This is a path wrought with peril, notes Rav Berkovits, but it is our responsibility all the same.

    Regarding agunot, Rav Berkovits suggests we use the Rabbis’ power in marriage and divorce to innovate anything they desire, for marriage is done "according to the religion of Moses", giving the Rabbis absolute and unrestricted power in that arena. In fact, if the Rabbis were to declare that jumping up and down while chewing bubblegame would dissolve a divorce, then so would be. Now, this power is too dangerous to use without caution, just as you wouldn’t use nukes without restriction. However, this power can be used in emergencies.

    Moreover, says Rabbi Berkovits, we can make conditional marriages and/or divorces: the husband, in his ketuba, notes that if he fails to do such-and-such, he hereby gives his wife a get (King David’s soldiers all gave gets to their wives, with the condition that the get takes effect if the husband fails to return from battle), or, the marriage will have been entered into under false pretenses, and is retroactively null and void (if any marriage is entered into under false pretenses, such as the husband having an illness the wife didn’t know about, the marriage is null and void without rabbinic intervention).

    Rabbi Berkovits’s son (according to a student of this son) has done this in practice, and one member of the RCA beit din has suggested the following prenuptial agreement:

    1) If the wife desires a get, but the husband refuses, the marriage will have been entered into under false pretenses, and is retroactively null and void.

    2) If the couple does not live together for X months, for any reason (even coercion, just as the husband being missing), the marriage is retroactively null and void.

    3) Anyone reading this present document is hereby made the husband’s shaliah (agent) to write a get and deliver it to the wife, or to appoint another shaliah, and he another, ad infinitum.

    4) If this prenuptial agreement is found to be contrary to the halacha, then the marriage will have been contracted under false pretenses, and is null and void.

    This RCA dayan notes that this sort of prenuptial would have the agreement of Rabbi Yehiel Yaakov Weinberg (the gadol hador of pre-WWII Germany, and Rabbi Berkovits’s second teacher) in his approbation to Rabbi Berkovits’s book T’nai Bi’N'suin u’V'Get [Conditions in Marriage and Divorce], and of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef.

    Rabbi Emanuel Rackman (in One Man’s Judaism) notes that Rabbis Weinberg and Berkovits’ proposal, if ratified, would instantly solve the aguna crisis for all time.

    Your criticism is not against halakhah and Orthodox Judaism, but rather, your criticism is against "hassidim shotim", foolish ultra-extremist pietists who have their priorities wrong and thus completely warp G-d’s intent. Many Orthodox will disagree with the precise details of Rabbi Berkovits’s proposals, but everyone who is truly concerned with keeping G-d’s word, and truly strives to learn what He commands, will find the current treatment of women to be unconscionable and reprehensible – http://www.jewishideas.org/minhamuvhar/rabbis-no-more-alibis-center-womens-justice.

  • Aurelia

    My last break up was horrible. First time he broke up with me on my birthday as we were about to have some sexy time. You would have thought I would have learned my lesson. I ended up taking him back and he got heavily into drugs and overdosed one day when I was away at work. He went to rehab and while I was pining away for him and worrying about his well-being…I find out from a mutual friend that he had gotten out early. He never called let me know he was out or that he was alive and well. Our mutual friend gave me his number because he felt we needed to "sort things out". He had changed his number without telling me. I called him up to find out what the hell was going on and he said he was taking his life in a new direction and I wasn’t a part of it. I haven’t heard from him since that day.

     I should add that I’ve known this guy since High School and we were best friends for over 15 years. What hurts the most was the cowardly nature of his actions. I had no say in the end of our relationship, he said it was over and that was the end of it and I had to accept it. I understand rehab is difficult and they tell you to change your life etc. I would have had no problems if he had said he needed space to sort things out…I was actually hoping he would have needed space because I was having my own struggles with the relationship and dealing with the narcissitic behavior of an addict. I was questioning whether or not I wanted to deal with that for the rest of my life…Space and figuring things out would have been welcomed by me. I was embarassed that everyone had known my relationship was over and they were just trying to avoid hurting me instead of telling me what was really going. Then there is the loss of many years of friendship…even if we didn’t work out in the relationship sense I would have liked to keep the friendship going.

  • The rambler

    Or "dump" for that matter.Really, consider the terminology. And realize that if we’re all just truthful along the way, no one should really, ultimately, get hurt, because they’re in the know. 

    Something like that. 

    Either way, I have to know, was the biker more into his bike than you? Like would he rather talk about hubs and spoke and cadence than ask about your day? cus’ even if he did have your wheels spinnin for a while, you’re better off sans the bicicleta. 

  • EstherK

    I’ve written and conducted workshops on this topic, and of course, no group of Jews can agree on the etiquette (or the ethics, which may not be the same thing) of dating, relating and, where necessary, ending, relationships (whether they’re Jew-on-Jew, or not).

    I would think the most basic rule to apply would be to love your neighbor as yourself. If you wouldn’t want to be broken up with via text message, don’t do it to someone else. Treat the other person with the respect you’d hope to (but let’s face it, probably won’t) receive from him or her.

    I know JPS is putting together an anthology on the subject, but it’s not due until two years from now or so. So till then, we’re on our own to suggest a code…

     

    JDatersAnonymouscom

  • Karol Sheinin

    I’m marrying the first Jewish guy I ever dated (with the exception of a random Jewy kiss here and there, mostly there) so it’s sort of news to me that Jews don’t automatically work out.

     And I half agree with Luke Ford, though it really depends on the people.  I hate talking, and I really hate emoting.  This is from a fiction book I’ve been writing for like a million years because I am not nearly as prolific as the fabulous Max Gross:

    "The most interesting thing about being a woman with male characteristics is the way you discard the men.  I was always partial to the disappearing act.  I would simply never call them back, never return emails.  If we would see each other, I would be friendly but vague.  They never saw it coming.  Women like to explain, convey and generally connect even when they’re leaving a man behind.  Especially when they’re leaving a man behind.  I didn’t.  I found it all sorts of embarrassing."

  • h.

    i agree, just because nice Jewish boys and girls date each other doesn’t mean they’re right for each other. then again, this could apply to any couple regardless of religion. some people just aren’t meant to last.

    but in keeping with the theme of Mia’s post…the last time i seriously dated a Jewish guy was in 2004. we were together for 6 months…any longer i would gone insane (it didn’t help that he was in therapy). we met on MySpace (yes, you can laugh at me)and he lived about 35 minutes away, so that was convenient. he broke up with me in person, stating that we were incompatible…i knew that already and lost all sense of happiness with our relationship after the first two months, but tried to stick it out to see if things could improve…i wanted to dump him but he beat me to it. he pretended to be something he wasn’t (interested in me). he was a total poseur (he claimed he was all Punk Rock but was really a Preppy kid in a leather jacket and studded belt). he constantly criticized anything i did and was verbally abusive. oh, and the only reason he went out with me was because he was lonely and wanted to get his parents off his back about meeting Jewish girls. yeah, real honest.

    i tried dating other Jewish guys, but i either had nothing in common with them or they weren’t interested in serious relationships…or were really into me and i just didn’t feel a thing for them.

    it’s hard enough to meet quality people in this world, let alone quality Jewish people.

  • Bek

    I don’t know if this is tantamount to a break-up story (I know it’s not) but it sure does relate to rejection!

     

    I had a crush on a guy who told me I looked like Rodney Dangerfield (the crush came before the comment…although masochistically, I liked him even more after). 

  • lukeford

    talk things out, men usually don’t want to talk through a break-up. It’s a rare male advantage in the war between the sexes.

  • JumpinJew

    do what you gotta do

  • Max Gross

    Lilit: You’ve got to give us more specifics.

    I want to know what this dude’s message was like. And how long had you been going out for?

  • Lilit Marcus

    I once got dumped on voicemail. I always wondered what would have happened if I’d actually picked up.

  • Max Gross

    I would say that my worst breakup story was the one about the chick I almost proposed to and was moving in with in a few months who broke up with me because my old apartment had bedbugs.

    It’s a little more complicated than that. But not much. If you’d like the full story, pick up my book, From Schlub to Stud.

    http://www.amazon.com/Schlub-Stud-Embrace-Mensch-Conquer/dp/1602392633