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Pointing Fingers and Awarding Holocaust Heroics—What’s the Big Deal?

I was struck last week by several Holocaust-related stories in the news, and specifically how they all have the typical tunnel vision we’ve come to expect from anything vaguely related to the Holocaust.  The first covered a former suburban Cleveland … Read More

By / June 23, 2008

I was struck last week by several Holocaust-related stories in the news, and specifically how they all have the typical tunnel vision we’ve come to expect from anything vaguely related to the Holocaust. 

The first covered a former suburban Cleveland automaker, who may be extradited to Germany to face charges of murder. German authorities claim John Demjanjuk, 88, was a guard in Sobibor, a concentration camp in Poland more than 60 years ago. Demjanjuk has already been extradited once, to Israel, when he was under suspicion of being the notorious Ivan the Terrible, a guard at Treblinka. Demjanjuk was convicted, but Israeli officials eventually received evidence that Ivan the Terrible was a different old Ukrainian guy, so Demjanjuk was released and returned to the US. Germany is hoping to have him in their custody within the next few months. Demjakjuk’s lawyer says his client cannot get up from a chair by himself, and John Demjanjuk Jr. says his father is “not in good health right now.”

In another story, we learned that the Vatican is continuing to restrict some archives having to do with Pope Pius XII, who reigned from 1939 to 1958, and who is often derided by various Jewish organizations for not doing enough to ensure the safety of Jews and Catholics during the Holocaust. A Vatican official recently said that Jewish archives should be opened before people get angry at the church for restricting access to its documents. Jewish groups responded by declaring that their archives are already open.

Finally, Yad Vashem is being asked to recognize the work of a man named Peter Bergson, who was a major player in all of the public work and activism done by American Jews during the Holocaust. Among other things, Bergson initiated a Rabbis’ March on the White House with more than 400 Orthodox rabbis. It was the only protest demonstration calling for Holocaust rescue activities ever held in Washington during World War II. Bergson was deeply involved in shaming the Roosevelt White House into creating the War Refugee Board, which helped save more than 200,000 lives during the final 18 months of World War II. Bergon’s family presented Yad Vashem with a petition signed by more than 100 public Jewish figures asking that the museum recognize Bergson in some way. Thus far the museum has refused.

All three of these stories demonstrate an intense connection and sensitivity to the Holocaust—and this intensity is baffling. Even in the best case scenario, the stakes in these cases are extraordinarily low. John Demjanjuk may be a bad guy, he may have done terrible things, but is there anything that can be done to him now that would be even remotely humane? The man cannot stand up. He is already a prisoner in his body. What is to be gained by extraditing him to Germany?  The Vatican’s finger pointing is embarrassing, but regardless, what’s the advantage of knowing just how much Pope Pius didn’t do to save more people?  And Peter Bergson was no doubt a remarkable man who did exemplary things, but does that mean Yad Vashem should be pressured into honoring him? The world has real problems right now—Darfur, the rising cost of food, global warming—and I don’t see any benefit in constantly focusing time, money, and energy on minor issues just because they are tangentially related to the Holocaust. ‘Never again’ means we have to be vigilant about our behavior and advocacy in the present.  It doesn’t mean investing all of our resources in digging up the past.

  • Me

    As a Holocaust educator I’m going to attempt to clear up a few things.

    First, get rid of the Holocaust denier — giving idiots like ThorsProvoni a platform in which to speak only allows the genocide to continue. Freedom of speech is NOT absolute, and I’m not in favor of abusing free speech to the point of vitriolic spewing in the context of continuing (Nazi Ideology) criminal behavior.

    There is a great deal to learn by bringing Demjanjuk to trial. Look what came out of the Nuremberg trails and tribunals? The word "Genocide" itself comes to mind, not too mention the specific understanding of what constitutes genocide and what constitutes crimes against humanity.

    "We have put scores of Nazis on trial" This is NOT true. Less than 10% were ever brought to trial. I wish that scores where brought to trail.

    While expressing your opinion on this subject, please know you cross a boundary when you defend your postion knowing you were not a victim — you were not around to feel the result of the pogroms and certainly not the Jewish genocide. Bringing Demjanjuk to trail has nothing to do with you, it has everything to do with those who perished and those who survived. 

    Let’s be fair in understanding the Holocaust is not a subject that should ever be tackled lightly. While we would all like to put our efforts on genocide that is taking place today, such as Darfur, I think it’s safe to say — we need to acknowledge the Jewish response to the Holocaust.

    The very people who survived the Jewish genocide are the ones who has brought and continues to bring education to the genocides around the globe. The phrase "Never Again" is not an empty threat, but a notion of hope– not bringing perpetrators to justice just because it’s an old crime or because the criminal has a broken body from age is not an option. 

    In order to learn from bringing "old" Nazis to trail we bring out understandings we might never before learned in order to apply those understandings toward modern genocides. 

    You bring up a good topic, but, let’s be fair. Our efforts are much better focused on bringing old Nazis to trail for war crimes and NOT on silly reality shows like Jon & Kate plus Eight.

  • David N. Friedman

    Jewlicious is correct to say that justice should be served, there is no statute of limitations and his conviction would mean a lot to his victims.  It would also say something positive about us as a people who can attempt to bring justice to the world.

    Tamar, your concern about a waste of resources is very odd and selective since global warming theology is premised on wasting resources–that is, making the world pay trillions of dollars for an imaginary theory.  Now THAT would be truly wasteful.

    Bringing a guilty man to justice always makes sense if we are to have some pride in having a civil, moral and just society.  When people speak about the lessons of the Shoah–they want those lessons to extend beyond our generation.  The fact that we have a real-life murderer of Jews living out his life in freedom not only insults our claimed desire to learn a lesson–it actually diminishes the claim to learn a lesson since we can't even bring ourselves to bring a living Nazi from the period of the actual crime to justice. 

     

     

  • ThorsProvoni

    Whether Jewish or Non-Jewish.

     Jewish racists just don't get it.

     

  • Anonymous

    Why are there always some leftwing Jew rushing to the defense of poor old Nazi?

    Are there no other worthy causes, such as homelessness, global warming which might merit their attention?

  • ThorsProvoni

    From  The Context of Jewish Violence and Subversion and in particular Stalin's Jews.

    To believe that Jews could not be mass murderers, genocidaires, or ethnic cleansers is itself a form of racism that assumes Jews are superior to other people. (See Stalin's Jews by Sever Plocker.) Any Jew or supporter of the State of Israel that refuses to admit the possibility that Jews could develop their own Nazism as brutal as German Nazism is simply a bigot with whom rational discussion is simply not impossible.

    No US monument is more disgusting and offensive than the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, for Zionist Jews are carrying out genocide right before our eyes in Stolen and Occupied Palestine while far too many Jews show neither remorse nor repentence for the mass murder, ethnic cleansing, and genocide that Jewish intelligentsia has instigated or perpetrated since the beginning of the 20th century.

    Decent Jews must demand that the USHMM either be demolished or be turned over to the heirs of the 10s of millions of victims of Jewish genocidaires.

     

  • Anonymous

    Thanks Thor. That explains everything. I always thought Stalin and Truman were part of a secret Jewish cabal when they voted to recognize Israel. 

    Now that Palestine/Israel is arab free from the Jordan to the Sea,  OSI must investigate the involvement of Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter. Apparently US funds were used to build the Hebron and Bethlehem death camps.

    Jewlisicous, you can't criticize Thor until you have personally spoken with the Hebron survivors. Look at their numbered tatoos. See the lampshades and soap made from their parents. See the stacks of bodies, the gold teeth, the hair. Then you'll know whether he is telling the truth that Nazis=Israelis. 

  • jewlicious

    Is there any way y'all can build a ThorsProvoni filter so I don't have to be exposed to the vile crap that this obviously mentally unbalanced individual is spewing? I'm all in favor of free speech and I'd never ask you to censor him but there's got to be a way for those of us who don't want to even see his crap to be spared from his insanity. 

    Oh and as long as I'm here…yo! Thors! Get back on your meds and please go fuck yourself.

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  • ThorsProvoni

    I have already mentioned that OSI should target Benjamin Emanuel, who is the father of Rahm Emanuel.

    War Criminals at Harvard identifies some other potential targets of OSI investigation.

    In general, any Zionist  immigrating to the USA and not declaring himself or herself a Jewish Nazi with a belief system exactly quivalent to a German Nazi but for the substitution of Jew for Aryan and Palestinian (or Arab) for Jew has lied on his immigration forms and should be investigated, tried, and deported by OSI.

    Currently, the Jews in OSI are refusing to apply the very specific law which governs OSI in the same way for Jews as they apply it to non-Jews.

    Such application of the law probably constitutes obstruction of justice or some other form of official malfeasance. The behavior of Jewish officials within OSI seems to constitute a particularly egregious example of Jewish racism by Jews serving in the government of the USA.

    Non-racist Jews have a categorical imperative to identify such racist Jews in the federal government and to demand removal as well as possible prosecution for criminal misconduct.

     

  • ThorsProvoni

    Why doesn't the OSI pursue Jewish perpetrators of crimes against humanity in the USA?

    Is there one set of laws for Jews and another set for non-Jews?

    Yom Kippur and Ashkenazi Genocidalism

    Facing 20th Century Jewish History
    by Joachim Martillo (ThorsProvoni@aol.com)

    As more and more information becomes available to Americans about ethnic Ashkenazi Zionist and Soviet genocidalism from the beginning of the 20th century till the present day, the need for genuine atonement by the world Jewish population this Yom Kippur and throughout the year becomes ever more clear.

    In contrast with German non-Jews, Jews have come to terms neither with the crimes like mass murder, ethnic cleansing and genocide that a tremendous proportion of the ethnic Ashkenazi population committed during the Russian Revolution and the first decades of the Soviet Union nor with the calculated genocide and crimes against humanity that German Jewish and ethnic Ashkenazi Zionists committed in the name of the bogus concept of the "Jewish People."

    Israeli Jews since the beginning of the Oslo Process have shown themselves to be an unrepentant population of murderous genocidal thieves and interlopers who are in general completely incapable of honoring agreements or of treating non-Jewish populations with decency and respect.

    The organized Jewish community is actively engaged in conspiracy against rights (a Title 18 USC Section 241 violation) in order to deny Muslim and Arab Americans their fundamental constitutional rights to participate in the political culture of the United States of America.

    Because of the activities of ethnic Ashkenazi American Neocon policy makers in sacrificing American interests, lives and wealth for the sake of Israel and ethnic Ashkenazi tribalism and because of the inability or unwillingness of the American Jewish leadership explicitly to take the stand that the overriding commitment of ethnic Ashkenazi Neocons to the State of Israel makes them completely unfit for high government office, a good case can be made (before a grand jury) that a large and important segment of the ethnic Ashkenazi American population is engaged in a seditious conspiracy to put down the government of the USA at a time of war (another Title 18 violation).

    Ethnic Ashkenazi American groups and individuals can take the first steps to true atonement by demanding the abolition of Zionist Israel as a criminal terrorist state, the eradication of Zionism, and the indictment of prominent American Jewish leaders and intellectuals like Abraham Foxman (ADL), David Harris (AJCommittee), Norman Podhoretz (Commentary Magazine), William Kristol (Weekly Standard), Charles Jacobs (David Project), Jeff Jacoby (Boston Globe), Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, David Wurmser, and Daniel Pipes (without limitation) for major violations of the United States criminal code.

    In order for Israeli Jews to atone, they must return all the properties that they have stolen to the native Palestinian population, restore Palestinian residence rights, renounce Zionism, and hand over the political, military, academic and religious leadership over to the International Criminal Court at the Hague for indictment and prosecution for crimes against humanity.

    Lithuania wants to grill top Israeli historian over war crimes
     
    Original article: http://www.ejpress.org/article/20040


    Updated: 12/Sep/2007 07:43


    VILNIUS (AFP)—Lithuania wants to grill leading Israeli Holocaust historian Yitzhak Arad over his alleged role in war crimes against civilians and prisoners during World War II, a prosecutor said Tuesday.

    "We have despatched a request to Israeli prosecutors for legal help," prosecutor Rimvydas Valentukevicius told AFP.

    "We want to send Mr Arad a notice on our suspicions and to interrogate him in the framework of a preliminary probe on his possible participation in crimes against humanity in Lithuania during the Second World War," he said.

    The 81-year-old Arad, who served as the director of Yad Vashem, Israel's Holocaust Remembrance Authority for 21 years, rejected the allegations in an interview to Poland's Rzeczpospolita newspaper.

    A probe launched in May 2006 showed that Arad, who was a member of the Soviet NKVD secret service, may have been involved in the killing of Lithuanian resistance figures at the end of World War II.

    Lithaunian-born Arad, who was active in the underground movement before joining the Soviet partisans to fight the Germans, has rebuffed suggestions that he was guilty of the cold-blooded murder of civilians.

    "I have never killed a civilian," he said. "It could have happened during battle but I have never killed a civilian or a prisoner of war in cold blood."

    Arad said the allegations could be part of a vendetta campaign as he had painstakingly listed atrocities committed by Lithuanian collaborators.

    But Lithuanian prosecutor Valentukevicius said suspicions against Arad are based on his own memoirs and documents provided by the Lithuanian Genocide and Resistance Research Center.

    "We have many documents, which allow us to think that Arad participated in criminal activities," Valentukevicius said.

    Lithuania was home to some 220,000 Jews before tha war and was known as the "Jerusalem of the North."

  • Anonymous

    "Why doesn't the OSI pursue Jewish perpetrators of crimes against humanity in the USA?"

    Name names (but  please don't say Henry Kissinger). Who are the Jewish war criminals (under US law living in the US)?

     

  • ThorsProvoni

    He is a Ukrainian. Some Ukrainians became Hilfswillige (willing to help), and after researching the mass murder of Jews in the Ukraine, I believe it was not merely a matter of being willing to help.

    After Soviet depredations planned and executed almost entirely by Soviet Jewish officials, lots of Ukrainians were more than willing to kill Jews without any incitement by German Nazis whatsoever, but the situation must be put into context.

    During the Russian Revolution, Civil War and Consolidation of the Soviet Union, Russian Jews were up to their eyeballs in mass murder, ethnic cleansing and genocide.

    While the willingness of some Ukrainians to kill Jews or to help the German Nazis was not justifiable, it was understandable.

    At this point in time, when Zionist genocidaires are carrying out the same sorts of crimes against Palestinians as murderous Soviet Jews carried out against the peasantry and other Soviet citizens, we should be focusing on the Jewish terrorists in Stolen and Occupied Palestine as well as those American Jews that give material aid to Zionist terrorism and genocide.

    Demjanjuk was probably little more than a janitor while the Jews today thanks to Zionism constitute a Taeterbevoelkerung far worse than the Germans ever were as a consequence of German Nazism.

    Jews must repent for Jewish crimes against humanity in Central Europe, Eastern Europe and Palestine.

    Jewish criminals from the Soviet and Zionist periods must be prosecuted, and the United States Holocaust Museum Memorial should either be knocked down or turned over to the German (attempted communist coup after WW1), Hungarian (attempted communist coup after WW1), former Soviet, and Arab victims of Soviet and Zionist Jews.

     

  • Yaakov

    I just read the 6th Circuits 2004 opinion. Why is Denjanjuk still in the US? He lied about being a Nazi concentration camp guard and entered the US under false pretenses. I agree with jewlicious. The US should throw him out and let the Germans decide what to do with him.

    The case should serve as a reminder that just following orders in persecution is no defense. The Court ruled that a person need not engage in personal acts to be held ineligible for a visa when they serve in a unit dedicated to exploiting and exterminating civilians on the basis of race or religion. Sounds like justice to me.

  • jewlicious

    I fixed the misquote. Sorry!

    Four years ago, the 6th US Circuit Court of Appeals felt that the
    Justice Department had presented "clear, unequivocal, and convincing
    evidence" of Demjanjuk's service in Nazi death camps and they accordingly upheld the stripping of Demjanjuk's citizenship.

    That's good enough for me. In light of that ruling, I don't feel any need to show him any mercy whatsoever. Why should he get to live out the rest of his days in the warm, loving embrace of his family? Conservative estimates state that 250,000 Jews were murdered at Sobibor, while 59,000 were murdered at Majdanek. No one showed them any mercy.

    Demjanjuk should stand trial in Germany. They can then decide if he is capable of defending himself or not. Old age is no bar to the pursuit of Justice and there is no reason for the US to continue to give refuge to a non-citizen accused of War crimes just because he is old.

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  • jewlicious

    Tamar,
    Your argument against the prosecution of Demjanjuk rests on four notions, each of which I will address:

    1. Demjanjuk was already found innocent of being Ivan The Terrible
    Yes. And despite pressure to convict, justice prevailed and Demnjanjuk was released. The evidence ultimately showed that he couldn't be Ivan because he was in fact a guard at another camp. Trying him for another crime is not double jeopardy and an error by the prosecution ought not give one a free pass.

    2. Demjanjuk is old and infirm
    Yes, he's 88 and his son lawyer says he can't get up. That's a pretty unbiased opinion there. If the prosecutors feel he can withstand the rigors of a trial then so be it. The Germans have jurisdiction here, and they have an extradition treaty with the US. Demjanjuk isn't even a US citizen anymore, having had his citizenship stripped for lying about his war-time record. In any case, as difficult as this will be for him, it pales in comparison to the alleged difficulties he put the inmates of Sobibor through.

    3. Prosecuting Demjanjuk is a waste of resources
    It's Germany's money. Who cares? And given the evidence against him and the severity of the crimes he's accused of, does the expense involved really matter? He's not being prosecuted because of the fear that he'll kill again. He's being prosecuted to send a message…

    4. The case against Demjanjuk is tenuous at best
    Not according to the 6th US Circuit Court of Appeals who said that he could be stripped of his US Citizenship because of his war-time activities.

    Why do you think some crimes have no statute of limitations? So that those who commit them know that they are subject to prosecution for the rest of their lives. So that those thinking of committing them might reconsider given the knowledge that they are subject to prosecution for the rest of their lives. These are relevant issues not just for those seeking Justice against perpetrators of the Holocaust, but for those interested in the pursuit of Justice, period.

    So far Demjanjuk has been shown far more consideration than he had shown his alleged victims. I know you sense an air of blood lust around the Demjanjuk affair which you feel is incompatible with the pursuit of Justice. I know you are uncomfortable with putting an 88 year old man through an exhausting trial. I know you mean well – your intentions are good. But, well, I respectfully disagree.

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  • Tamar Fox

    There are a lot of issues here, and I think they're tangled together, not independent of each other.  First of all, I don't think it's insignificant that Demjanjuk has already been wrongly convicted once.  He was put on death row, and was in solitary confinement for years, when it turned out that US had been convinced of his innocence for years (http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/d/demjanjuk-john/circuit-court/appeal-order-04.html).  His citizenship was stripped not because it was clear he had been a guard at Sobibor, but because the judge found that he had no sufficient explanation for what he had been doing during the war.  There is a difference between the two.

    Most of the evidence brought against this man comes from survivors who are themselves well into their 80s, and from documents that have confounded various legal experts for two and a half decades.  No, it's not clear what Demjanjuk was doing during the years of World War II, and I think it's safe to assume he was a Nazi, but we really don't seem to have the proof.  And I think that's a big deal. 

     Justice and mercy are always mixed up together.  This man has not been served by the justice system in the past, now we're serving him up to yet another country, despite what may be reasonable circumstances for showing mercy.  It makes me uncomfortable and sad that this is what we focus our passions on: convicting a man in his 80s, without substantial proof. 

    And Jewlicious, can you do me the favor of quoting me accurately?  It's Demjanjuk's lawyer who says he can't get up–his sons just said he was in poor health.  Read the article I linked to, please.  

     

  • ThorsProvoni

    Zajanckauskas, Henss, Selective Prosecution and Equal Protection

    Another element of the Israel Lobby?
    by Joachim Martillo (ThorsProvoni@aol.com)
    The Functions Manual: Criminal Division of the DOJ (http://www.usdoj.gov/jmd/mps/manual/crm.htm) says the following on the Office of Special Investigations.
    Special investigations – since its creation in 1979, the Office of Special Investigations has been responsible for detecting, investigating, and taking legal action to denaturalize and/or deport persons who took part in Nazi-sponsored acts of persecution committed abroad during the period 1933-45 and, since December 2004, also for detecting, investigating, and taking legal action to denaturalize persons who participated abroad in acts of genocide or in acts of torture or extrajudicial killings committed under color of foreign law.
    As far as I know the OSI has investigated neither for Jews involved in Soviet torture, extrajudicial killings, mass murder, ethnic cleansing, or genocide nor for Jews involved in revenge killings or torture after the defeat of Nazi Germany nor for Jews involved in pre-state Zionist or Israeli torture, mass murder, ethnic cleansing, genocide, or extrajudicial killings. Yet both Polish and also Lithuanian prosecutors have indicted or investigated Israeli Jews for such crimes. (See http://tinyurl.com/25zwfp for discussion of a Lithuanian case.)
    Is there some sort of equal protection violation in the possibly selective prosecution of someone like  Zajanckauskas
    Source: Boston Globe | Date: Sep 29, 2007 | By: Linda Matchan 

    …would make him the oldest person ever deported as a result of an investigation by the Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations. To OSI officials, this is a story of justice served, a textbook case of a Nazi collaborator who managed…

    or Henss?

    According Justice Department and Homeland Security officials, Paul Henss, an 85-year-old German citizen living in Gwinnett County, guarded prisoners "at the notorious Dachau and Buchenwald Concentration Camps in Nazi Germany."

    According to Wikipedia, Congressman Rahm Emanuel's father, the Jerusalem-born pediatrician Benjamin M. Emanuel, was a member of the Irgun, a Zionist paramilitary terrorist organization that committed mass murder, ethnic cleansing, genocide, terrorism, and extrajudicial killings. So far OSI has undertaken neither investigation nor legal action against either Benjamin Emanuel or the multitudes of similar Zionist or Soviet Ashkenazi immigrants with similar criminal backgrounds.
    Does the OSI only prosecute non-Jews? Can non-Jewish Eastern Europeans or Palestinians receive any justice from the US DOJ?
  • Anonymous

    You're main argument is why spend time and energy on these things that happened 60 years ago when there are more pressing issues . Why do the courts focusing on extraditing Demjanjuk have to take away from the genocide in Darfur and our ability to stop it? I dont see why yad vashem cant honor a man who did more for jewry then you ever did or will by writng moronic articles.I doubt dealing on these issues is going to affect global warming.

       And finally …….wtf were you thinking? 

  • tarfon

    Tamar, your reply says that you don't see the justice here.  Actually, a trial of Demjanjuk  on the Sobibor charge would (presumably) serve justice, and your post didn't really contest that.  Your argument was really that this justice wasn't worth the resources, or that it should be outweighed by mercy for an aged and disabled man. 

  • Tamar Fox

    OK, I hear what you're saying, but I disagree.  First of all, Demjanjuk was already wrongly convicted once, which is a travesty, and probably should tell us something about how eager we are to convict people of these crimes when we can't really prove it.  Second, I really think that flying an 88 year old man half way across the world to throw him in prison is a ridiculous waste of resources.  Do you know how much money has to be spent to keep someone in prison? 

    And I'm sorry, but I don't believe that there are a lot of former war criminals out there who would start shaking in their boots if Demjanjuk went to trial.  I don't think most people who "would willingly participate in Genocide" think much about Nazi war criminals being brought to justice.  We have put scores of Nazis on trial, and that's important and just.  But considering that the case regarding Demjanjuk is tenuous at best, and that the man is unlikely to survive even through the trial, I don't see the justice here.  

  • Monica Osborne

    Tamar, I think you make a great point when you suggest that we should be concerned with the problems that the world is experiencing "right now." But, like Jewlicious said, the issues you bring up are in many ways about the "right now" as much as they are about the past and the future. However, I think what you are (rightly) reacting to is an all too prevalent lack of balance (and perspective?) when it comes to people who are concerned with talking about the past (especially in regard to the Holocaust) without applying its lessons and warnings to the present and the future.

    The solution is not to stop talking about the Holocaust (nor would it be right to stop talking about slavery or the  genocide of Native Americans), but to do it in the context of what matters now, and to do it in a way that preserves the memory of those who perished and survived and reminds people that perpetrators of such atrocities will not go unpunished. This is a weird comparison to make, and I'm sure someone will jump me for making it, but it's kind of like Torah in the sense that it doesn't mean anything if it doesn't mean something "right now." Not that the Holocaust (or anyone's suffering) can or should have meaning, but there is a way to address it with insight and sensitivity so that it never happens again.

  • jewlicious

    Oh so John Demjanjuk's son says his Dad can't get up. Oh. OK then! Screw justice, someone get the dude a soft cushion! So he lied about his war time activities when he immigrated to the US. So he was complicit in war crimes. Please, the man's son says that he's tired. Let's leave him alone and send a message to other perpetrators of Genocide that age and infirmity will protect them from facing justice should it ever come to that.

    Bringing John Demjanjuk to justice is in fact about both the past and the present. It sends a message to all those who would willingly participate in Genocide that they will be hunted down and brought to justice no matter how much time has passed since the commission of their crimes. Consequently, Demjanjuk's extradition to Germany sends a very strong and very relevant message. It's not at all about petty parochial concerns.

    Keep in mind that I say this as a person who has spoken out about the undue focus on and deification of the Holocaust by the Jewish community. The Holocaust as the locus of Jewish identity? Bad, bad, bad idea. Bringing Nazis to justice? Always a good idea.

    Seriously Tamar… wtf were you thinking?

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