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Jewish Mythbusters: Orthodoxy is Misogynistic, Israel is Egalitarian

Orthodoxy is an easy target when we’re criticizing societies where women are treated poorly, given fewer rights, and are relegated to lives in the kitchen and nursery. Walking into an Orthodox synagogue and seeing a mechitza dividing the men and … Read More

By / March 26, 2008

Orthodoxy is an easy target when we’re criticizing societies where women are treated poorly, given fewer rights, and are relegated to lives in the kitchen and nursery. Walking into an Orthodox synagogue and seeing a mechitza dividing the men and women can seem like a throwback to the days of Jim Crow, and when we hear about ultra-Orthodox women wearing burka-like garments, it’s hard not to jump to conclusions about the kind of society that would endorse such behaviors.

The truth is much more complicated. Though it has taken Orthodoxy a staggeringly long time to come to terms with even the most basic feminist ideals, all kinds of feminism are alive and well in the Orthodox world.

  • The Jewish Orthodox Feminist Alliance provides lists of minyans where women participate in various forms, directions for life cycle events, advocates for agunot (women whose husbands won’t grant them Jewish divorces), and access to articles and databases to address a wide range of issues, from whether first-born women should fast the day before Pesach, to alternative readings of traditional texts.
  • Education for Orthodox Jewish girls has come a long way: Until fairly recently there were some communities where women were not even allowed to learn Torah directly from a book, but in the past fifty years, education for Jewish girls has taken great strides, and schools like the Drisha Institute and Midreshet Lindenbaum allow women to study Talmud and pursue Torah learning with the same vigor as at the best yeshivot for men.
  • Scholars like Tamar Ross and Haviva Ner-David are writing books that break open the stereotypes cast on Orthodoxy and feminism. There’s still plenty of apologist bullshit going on—you can always find some rabbi who wants to explain that women aren’t allowed to do x because they’re already on a higher spiritual plane, so it’s just not necessary—but increasingly, women are breaking out of the shtetl mold and finding new paths and ways to compromise tradition and modernity.

Meanwhile, the secular Israeli world isn’t quite as gender egalitarian as we like to think. We tend to regard kibbutzim as a kind of precursor to feminism, with women out in the fields working alongside men, and we love to brag about things like Israeli women spending time in the army, Golda Meir having been the first women Prime Minister of Israel decades before a female President was considered possible in the US, and Women’s rights always being a cornerstone of Israeli politics. In fact, according to an article at MyJewishLearning, even on socialist kibbutzim, women generally ended up back in stereotypical roles, working in kitchens and childcare because they were seen as too weak for heavy agricultural labor.

  • Though Golda Meir was a political lioness, she was not known for working on behalf of women’s rights, and few women have been able to follow in her footsteps to rise to the top of Israeli political parties.
  • The number of women in the Knesset is still very low relative to female political representation in other Western countries.
  • Israeli cultural capitol still nudges women back into the home and towards traditional child-rearing roles, though slow improvements are being made.
  • Women in the Israeli army complain of sexual harassment, and of being given unimportant jobs where they languish for their two years of service.

Despite these sobering facts, there is some good news: The President of the Israeli Supreme Court is a woman, and women are well-represented and protected in Israeli legislation. There’s still plenty of work to be done on both ends of the spectrum, and it’s not always as clear cut as you might think.

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  • Morganfrost

    Ultimately, the difference between the lifestyle of a modern Orthodox woman and a woman in the Satmar community may be greater than the difference between the lifestyle of the same modern Orthodox woman and her counterpart in a Conservative congregation.

     

  • jujubee

    Tamar took a random collection of facts and tried to make a comment about trends in each of these very different Jewish populations.

    Being an Orthodox Israeli (who's also, gasp, a mom!) I have to say the "bright spots" Tamar pointed out are either really out of date or so superficial, they really don't say much about anything. If this is Jewcy's idea of being "hip and today" sorry, this really misses the mark. 

     

    JOFA, as has been pointed out, is pretty marginal and never managed to make a real impact on the lives of Orthodox women, despite their yearly seminars. All you can come up with for Jewish education is Midreshet Lindenbaum and Drisha? What about all of the modern Orthodox day schools in North America teaching Orthodox girls Torah, including Tanach, Mishna, Gemara and Midrash on a daily basis,  and the dozens of other seminaries in Israel doing likewise? ML is 30 years old and Drisha is for college and post college women. That's the best you can do? You couldn't be bothered to google "Modern Orthodox" "girls" and "education"? Too hard on the fingers?

    As for the "sthtetl mold"? WTF? I grew up Orthodox in a comfortable modern suburb in Fairfield County CT. Sorry, no chickens or dirt roads in sight. Most MO people grew up the same way. Your generalization just illustrates how little you really bothered to look into this topic. You made some cute points that sound like you spoke to 3 people about Orthodoxy, two of whom are probably Conservative.

     

    As for Israel, much of the above paragraph applies here as well.  

    "Israeli cultural capitol still nudges women back into the home and
    towards traditional child-rearing roles, though slow improvements are
    being made."

    Have you actually SPOKEN to any Israeli mothers? Again, wtf? Most Israeli mothers are in the workforce, contrary to their pampered American counterparts. We don't have any "opting out" revolution here. Thanks to our affordable day care and the many 3/4 and even full time jobs that are designed for mothers (there are many jobs here that run from 8 am-4 pm and provide a great deal of flex time for sick days, etc.) and not to mention our 3 month paid maternity, most Israeli women are happily in the workforce. We don't have SAHMs here. The few women who do stay home are looked at as oddities. Because of this, we don't have that whole stupid working mom vs. SAHM war. WMs won, quite a while ago.

    Also, can you please define what an "Israeli cultural capitol" is? The cultural capitol of Israel could arguably be defined as Tel Aviv. Sorry, no one in Tel Aviv is encouraging any woman to stay home. (Even assuming you meant "cultural capital" that sentence still doesn't make a whole lot of sense)

     

    Seriously, this was a nice idea, but try doing some real research before posting a few glib bullet points.  

     

  • Anonymous

    It hit the nerve behind the idea of "who is more feminist and liberating than who, Orthodoxy or Israeli life". Yes, I hijacked the discussion. Sorry. Thanks for being curious. When people are debating, in civilized tones, which poison works better, is cheaper, faster, and hurts less, a passerby might start to splutter why are you using poison in the first place? Yes, that passerby would be out of context and should be quiet. As for wishing she was a man, no, she didn't say that. She only said something about women not having equal access to heavy agricultural labor.

    (Labor? You want labor? There's a way to get some, if that's your pleasure.)

  • Faith

    Wow.  This clearly hit a nerve – though I'm curious as to what nerve it hit.  Tamar never made a blanket statement throughout the article.  She never wished she was a man or wished women didn't have to have babies.  She certainly never called it a "torture chamber".  The author clearly stated that Orthodoxy is an easy target for misunderstanding and stereotyping in her first sentence.

    What a shame to not get the point. At. All. 

  • Anonymous

    The baby wanted to be held by his/her mother. Bad sexist baby! Tsk tsk! She / he should have asked to be held by her father, or her accountant, while her mother was doing heavy agricultural work, or laying tefillin. Maternal closeness has no effect, none, I tell you, on future mental health. All you need for good development is a proper accountant, and a mother who is busy saying long, time-fixed prayers when you need your food and water, your toy picked up, or your boo-boo kissed. Abandonment fears need to faced squarely at an early age. Get with the program, kid. Hugs? Emotional security? Nonsense. Riiiiight.

  • invisible_hand

    to call all sectors of the orthodox world misogynistic per se, especially since there yet remain much patriarchy in all portions of the jewish community

    however.

    even in the most left-wing parts of orthodoxy, there still are elements of an anti-feminist attitude.  even in your JOFA picture, the woman is holding the baby!  it's becoming more and more difficult to make a feminist case for mechitzah, especially given the issues posed by (gender)queer jews.  clearly some minyanim are better than others.  darcei noam is a much less sexist option than any mainstream ortho shul.  but even in the burgeoning "partnership minyan" scene, women are still, to a certain extent, second class citizens.  they can only lead certain services.  they are not responsible  for a number of mitzvot.  

    last but not least:  JOFA, Edah (now defunct), etc are marginalized in the orthodox world, which destabilizes your thesis somewhat. 

  • Anonymous

    Where do Jews come from?

    Your personal tummy. No place else. Maybe that is pretty special?  

    Maybe you can let Harry do the other silly stuff, which most jobs are, while you do the most important job in the world. Ask around if it's fun being forty-five and childless. But watch out for apologist bullshit, to use your own phrase.

  • Anonymous

    The burka-like garments are just one woman's crazy idea, and she has a few followers. This is NOT an Orthodox norm!! As for heavy agricultural work, one wonders if a columnist like you has ever done much heavy agricultural work. Maybe for one interesting week, as an intern? With the option to quit, if it was too much? As for child bearing, well, that is part of LIFE and not the torture chamber it is made out to be. And yes, women are much holier than men. No they don't need to do as many mitzvot, as a result. It is so pitiful to spend valuable minutes wishing one was the other gender. It's better to understand nobody gets everything, and to get into what you DO have. There is no canvas like a child! Every generation gets to start over. Now that many of the diseases of the past have been controlled by medicine, and so has childbearing, people confuse child-bearing with a disease! It's not. Duh! Having children is not a disease, infirmity, affliction, illness, curse, accident or calamity. Where in blazes do people think people come from? Macy's? Don't the old people around look happy with their grown children? Wasn't that worth a few inconvenient years? If you even want to call it inconvenient. It's like eating. Watching others eat is uninspiring, but your OWN dinner is delicious. Same with children.

  • naftali

    I'm curious about this because I don't hear too many discussions travel in this particular direction–like this:

    Is it possible to have a good discussion about gender without adding in data about guys acting like jerks? I know that guys can act like jerks, but I think some of that comes from confusion about gender roles. I think this is a huge problem in western culture, and because of this void of productive dialogue, words like 'misogynistic' and–see, is there even a counterword for that–misopenistic?–serious void here–enter the usual conversation in about three seconds.

    Anyway, I think the relationship would be closer to a discussion about Yin and Yang rather than an issue of oppression. But I never hear that conversation. So, if the poor behavior of both genders can be distilled out, how would that discussion go?