While the Jewish Right draws outrage for U.S. foreign policy, it is the Jewish Left that pre-empts protecting our nation domestically. Obsessing against “xenophobia” and even the most nominal and reasonable profiling measures, the Jewish Left is in denial that we are, in fact, at war with a portion of Muslim adherents.
For the Left, since it is “not every Muslim,” there is no war.
Not every Muslim would agree with that assessment. For a significant segment of the Muslim population, there is definitely a war against Islam being waged. And for the radical Muslim, the U.S. offers greater opportunities for expressions of protest than their homeland (or their parents’ homeland) do.
Even a small fraction of highly motivated Jihadists is a grave domestic (and communal) threat, and the larger our population of devout Muslims, the larger the pool of radicals, and the harder it is to keep track of them.
This has not dampened the Left’s demand for ever-greater mass immigration, including from hostile Muslim countries. HIAS, the Hebrew Immigration Aid Society, boasts of resettling refugees from Somalia–despite clear warning that elements from that community harbor radical leanings. The unwillingness to profile has also led to tragic consequences. There is a national and communal risk to expanding our Muslim population, and it is a risk that the Jewish Left assiduously denies and enables.
The Jewish communal infrastructure has sought to seek a balance between the larger Jewish Left and the more active Jewish Right. That balance has traditionally been to adopt and promote the foreign policies of the Jewish Right, and the domestic policies of the Jewish Left.
Both the Jewish Left and the Jewish Right think they are fighting the good fight. But together, they are fighting American interests.
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David,
What has made you have such hatred for Somalis? Have you ever met one, one single Somali immigrant?
"@dk the endless pipeline of family reunification is far more speculative than the idea that alleviating social ills reduces the threat of terrorism. "
 Ok, I <b>have</b> to interject myself in the conversation here. Seriously.  The cause and effect relation between family reunification and endless immigration is logically and empirically much simpler to prove.Â
And yet Mobius claims it is <b>more</b>Â speculative than the relation between sociall ills and terrorism. Mobius, I really would like you to donate your brain to science. The insights we could gain into the cause of leftism are unimaginable.Â
now you’re taking the issue of north african immigrants in western europe out of context and using it to drum up the threat of islamists. you’re being hysterical. you really are reading too much vdare.Â
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/paris_riots/
The article you linked to is predominantly one that gives all the usual Marxist answers. But,
 1) I don’t buy those answers as the full truth, but the typical racial Marxist excuses.
2)  No one seriously claims that Jews are and Jewish institutions are being  disproportionately targeted because of the typical racial Marxist reasons.
Conclusion: If Jews and Jewish institutions are disproportionately targeted by the children of Muslim immigrants, why does HIAS and her allies  want mass Muslim again again? Why are they bringing in "refugees" who are Muslim?
 but you are nonetheless conflating hias’ support for immigration reform w/ the threat of islamist terror
 If you look at the situation in Paris and Belgium and elsewhere in the west, anywhere there is a significant Muslim population, there are plenty of things to fear from Muslim mass immigration in addition to terror.
 When a young man is beaten with lead pipes or tortured to death, this isn’t catalogued as terrorism.Â
@zeevico people who use comic sans deserve to have their fingers broken so that they can never type again
@dk the endless pipeline of family reunification is far more speculative than the idea that alleviating social ills reduces the threat of terrorism. as for the rest, we’ll have to agree to disagree. but you are nonetheless conflating hias’ support for immigration reform w/ the threat of islamist terror, they have virtually nothing to do with each other, and it’s defamatory of a great organization that does immeasurably valuable work. case in point: if hias hadn’t been here to lobby on behalf of folks like sergey brin, there’d be no google.Â
wait a minute! terrorists could use google maps to plot attacks! zomg, hias hearts terrorism!
(fyi, that’s what you sound like.)
Okay guys, but seriously: Helvetica or Comic Sans?
 It is not, in any way, an effort to open the borders to mass immigration nor mass-Muslim immigration. Â
 It is. "Family reunification" is exponential in scope. There is no end to that pipeline.Â
What is speculative is that these "social ills" can be alleviated. I believe the rage of the Islamicists will not dissipate anytime soon.
They will, however, serve the interest of nativists and White nationalistsÂ
No. The platform of the Jewish Left will serve the White Nationalist community, by making the majority population a minority population, and by disfranchising whites through other programs outside of immigration, such as through Hate Crimes legislation, which imposes protected classes. This will be on top of disfranchisement through reverse discrimination programs, which are not the fault of the Jewish Left, as they do not have backing from the Jewish mainstream, which has more or less stayed neutral in these discussions.
Your agenda will serve them. Mine will undermine them. What is the difference? You–like so many Holocaust survivor descendants–seem to conflate regular white Americans with White Nationalists.
I’m saying that targeting all immigrants
No. If I have my way, they won’t become immigrants.
 And why target if that is what bothers you? We don’t need mass immigration. Our country is impoverished thanks to the Neocons and Bush. There are so many job applicants…all that nonsense about "the jobs Americans don’t want" is nonsense.
You come from a more modest background than most of the Social Left. At least on the issue of labor surplus, I expect you to be more sensitive than them.
I think our historical perspective gives us authority from which to speak.Â
 Left or Right, we seem to always have a great excuse for swinging our dicks.Â
The War in Iraq — AKA the Neocon War — sent us into spiraling debt, and further cost thousands of Americans their lives, thousands more their limbs, and the U.S. much of its credibility on the international stage. Previously, these same Neocons were responsible for arming and funding Saddam Hussein, arming Iran with drug money from the Contras, and arming the Taliban in Afghanistan. Neocon domination of American policy towards Israel has also protracted the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, giving every tyrant in the world something to hide behind, and engendering the rage of oppressed peoples throughout the world.
How you can compare the devastating effects of those policies and practices (see 9/11) to HIAS’ immigration reform efforts is beyond me. Making America a welcoming and tolerant nation elevates its standing on the international stage, garnering greater respect and security for American citizens. Obama’s success in recovering America’s image abroad should be more than ample evidence of this fact. Conversely, giving Muslims the sense that they are suspect and unwelcome reinforces the belief that Western values are corrupted, without merit, and worthy of overthrow. Just ask Nidal Malik Hasan, who was motivated in his hatred by having been singled out for abuse by his fellow soldiers because of his Muslim heritage.
There are between 2-4 million Muslims in America, David. How many of them have committed acts of religiously- or politically-motivated violence in the last 50 years? 20? 30? 50? What’s that? .0016%? Conversely, how many Christians in America have committed acts of religiously- or politically-motviated violence? Take a look at the stats on anti-abortion violence. They make the threat of Islamic terrorism in the U.S. look practically irrelevant. And yet you’re not making a stink about the Christian Right’s penchant for violence at all.
I’m not arguing that immigration reform alone is going to ease the grievances of Muslims. That would be preposterous. But heaping further discrimination upon them is certainly not going to help. Have you considered redressing their grievances, instead of exacerbating them? Since you acknowledge that we’ve harmed them, I can’t help but wonder why you’d want to give them further cause to hate us.
Institutionalized racism wasn’t solely responsible for Hassan’s actions. There were lots of factors: Being deployed to a war you ideologically oppose, hearing horror stories from the PTSD patients you’re treating, having some screws loose. That doesn’t help either. But could you imagine if you were asked, as a Jewish soldier, to go kill your fellow Jews, by an army which consistently humiliated you for being Jewish? Me, I’d go AWOL before I turned a gun on my fellow soldiers. But I’d probably be no less disgusted than Hassan was.
Finally, I reject your characterization of HIAS’ work as "aggressive, ostensibly universalist, pushy, ivory tower constructed, almost unilateral Jewish-preferred domestic policy." Beyond not seeing how their policy positions either defy or impose on the American public, the notion that it is innappropriate for Americans of any stripe to lobby the Congress is beyond chutzpah. If you’re so offended by aggressive, pushy, self-serving lobbies, perhaps you should devote some time to attacking the insurance lobby, or the entertainment lobby, or any of the corporate lobbies which have far more pernicious influence and which exploit the American people in far more destructive ways than those who seek simply to protect the human rights of others.
You’re conflating two completely different issues: Addressing the threat of domestic terrorism perpetrated by Islamic radicals and finding a more just and humane way of handling the problem of illegal immigration in America. Your real bone of contention is the former, but you’re taking it out on the latter. Progress by Pesach is an effort to address the inhumane practice of immigration raids. It is not, in any way, an effort to open the borders to mass immigration nor mass-Muslim immigration. Â
I also do not believe we should keep out of it. In fact, I think our
historical perspective gives us authority from which to speak.
On the issue of singling out Muslims, I’m not feeding you Holocaustian bullshit, nor am I accusing you of being Hitlerian. I’m saying that targeting all immigrants, or specifically all Muslim immigrants, in order to address the problem of Islamic radicalization is a slippery slope. Blanket statements like Muslims harbor those with a pernicious agenda are no better and no different than statements that Jews harbor those with a pernicious agenda. These are generalizations that, even if they hold an inkling of truth, serve no purpose other than to demonize one’s perceived enemy.
In the end, your policy proposals will not prevent the use of terrorism as a
"feedback mechanism," not here, not anywhere. They will, however, serve the interest of nativists and White nationalists, and
exacerbate the anger of Muslims everywhere, including American Muslims,
who are already here and not going anywhere. Will your next proposal be internment camps?
Also, it is not at all speculative that the alleviation of social ills reduces the allure of radicalism. I will happily furnish you with links to various studies demonstrating so if you would like.
Here’s a quick one: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/113876.php
David Kelsey
You’re right. Â I could have gone with any historical event tangentially related to "discrimination". But muslims aren’t the only group migrating to america. Immigration policy is a package deal.Â
 But I think you and I both agree that Mobius’s concern  for "society’s ills" is facetious.Â
 Leftists like Mobius like to solve problems that would not exist had it not been for immigration. Sure lets address muslim radicalism, which would not have been a problem if you kept muslims out.
 What is it about closing your country to foreigners that makes Mobius bring out the nazi  history lesson? What’s the thinking here? Are other countries concentration camps?Â
Thinking like yours enabled HitlerÂ
Don’t feed me your Holocaustian bullshit. Save that for your 3G meetings.
By ignoring the causative issues and, instead, shooting the messenger, you only reinforce the delusion.Â
No. One way does not preclude the other. One should seek to alleviate the tension where prudent, but do not bring in a group harboring those with an agenda. Better to negotiate from a distance.
  Alleviate the social ills and the allure of radicalism and the threat of violence will fade. Â
That is speculative.
So I fail to see the imminancy of the threat. Â
They have plenty of time.Â
speaking of which, since we’re most often the target, if we were to lobby to keep Muslims out, wouldn’t that too be considered self-interested dick-swinging?
So we should keep out of it? Fine — tell you what. How about all the groups that endorsed Progress By Pesach (http://www.jewishcommunityaction.org/organize/progressbypesach.htm) Â shut the hell up about immigration and drop the subject, and in return, my equally massive and well-funded Jewish camp of ubiquitous anti-immigration activists will cease their intense counter lobbying. Oh, wait…there are no Jewish anti-immigration groups. Hmmm…who is swinging whose dicks?
Anyway, glad you agree that HIAS and her numerous partners should shut the hell up and stop swinging their big dicks.Â
 you might want to reconsider making a precendent of the collective punishmentÂ
 I don’t think we see immigration the same way. As a denizen of the world, you are not guaranteed immigration to the U.S. This is not anyone’s God given right. And it is not punishment.Â
Why does the U.S. need mass immigration at all, mobius? Shouldn’t we let the American people decide that instead of mainstream Jewish communal organizations? Or is it like Middle East policy and Hate Crimes legislation where the Jews have to decide for everyone?
Ultimately radicalism is only an outlet for frustrations that emanate from our collective inability to adequately address our society’s ills.
Right. So you want to allow for more problems–i.e., domestic violence from disaffected and angry radicals –so we can see what needs fixing and who needs "alleviating."
What a wonderful feedback mechanism you are advocating. How Hitlerian of me to seek to deny you, HIAS, and Muslim radicals that feedback mechanism of domestic terrorism. Â
@DK Disproportion in terms of violence? 1 in 4 human beings on Earth is Muslim. Out of 1.5 billion people, pray tell, what percent is responsible for Islamist violence? Even if it were 1,000,000 that would still only be .06%. Of course, the number is nowhere near 1,000,000, so no, I don’t see Muslims as being disproportinately engaged in violence or terrorism.
In fact, since 1960, there have been only 12 successful terrorist attacks
committed by Muslims in the United States, 3 of which were directed against other Muslims, and most of which were post-9/11 and motivated by hatred of Israel (speaking of which, since we’re most often the target, if we were to lobby to keep Muslims out, wouldn’t that too be considered self-interested dick-swinging?). Virtually none of the attackers or would-be attackers arrested since 9/11 have been connected to any formal terrorist organization. Almost all are lone-wolves who self-radicalized, many are American citizens who converted to Islam, and most have turned out to be crazy assholes so inept that they had little to no chance of success anyhow. So I fail to see the imminancy of the threat. Rather, I see your obsession with Islamists to be disproportionate.
Thinking like yours enabled Hitler to enact the Nuremberg Laws after the Reichstag Fire. (One Communist Jew burned down a building, so let’s enact laws persecuting all Communists and Jews.) And considering that between 1960-1990, nearly half the terrorist attacks in this country were committed by Jews, left- and right-wing alike, you might want to reconsider making a precendent of the collective punishment of a particular religious or ethnic group for the actions of a few lone nuts, or even a few sects (lest you think we should all suffer the consequences of the JDL’s actions).
Political violence is the threat, whether committed by Muslims, Christians, Jews, or whoever, or whatever group, regardless of ideological motivation. Ultimately radicalism is only an outlet for frustrations that emanate from our collective inability to adequately address our society’s ills. By ignoring the causative issues and, instead, shooting the messenger, you only reinforce the delusion. Alleviate the social ills and the allure of radicalism and the threat of violence will fade. Â
formermuslim, I’m not sure how you got into the whole slavery sidetrack over here. We are talking about mass immigration of Muslims right now. Since mobius didn’t even mention your topic, it seems odd to draw conclusions about its relevancy to the conversation at hand.
America oppressed black people therefore it must let other people immigrate and apologize to them. I believe this is the mindset of Jews like Mobius.Â
It’s  a very christian perspective if you look at it abstractly. "Sin (racism) has come into the world through the fall (slavery and segregation) and must be  expiated through the blood of christ (Americans getting murdered by ms-13 and muslim terrorists ..as a start)".Â
 I am not joking about the above. This is literally how mobius sees things. Instead of asking who did what to whom  (whites to blacks) and  asking what we should do to specifically address their (african americans) grievances, Mobius gets all new testamenty, generalizing a specific historical wrong against african americans  into an original sin concerning all mankind.
Maybe mobius should listen to his own JEWISH heritage for once. Do not give so much charity that you yourself become destitute or some such thing. Maybe an advice that the US should follow with the economic  crisis and unemployment and all.Â
I thought this was about the two-font war. Isn’t one font enough?
There are between 2-4 million Muslims in America, David. How many of them have committed acts of religiously- or politically-motivated violence in the last 50 years?
There were far, far fewer Muslims than that for most of the last 50 years. Compare that to any community of its size. Do you not see a disproportion in population in terms of violence? Don’t pretend you are a 23-year old coed and that I am saying "every." PROPORTION.
Conversely, how many Christians in America have committed acts of religiously- or politically-motivated violence? Â
Again, please note the difference in percentage of the population. Do I really need to explain this to you?Â
But heaping further discrimination upon them is certainly not going to help. Have you considered redressing their grievances, instead of exacerbating them? Â
I find giving them domestic access a far more troubling prospect in this specific situation.
  There were lots of factors: Being deployed to a war you ideologically oppose, hearing horror stories from the PTSD patients you’re treating, having some screws loose. Â
 Ah, yes…the ol’ "he was crazy" defense. How in-line you are with the Left.Â
What’s missing on your list? Oh, that would be that he was an ISLAMICIST.
  Beyond not seeing how their policy positions either defy or impose on the American public
Look more carefully…did HIAS lead (on the issue of immigration) Jewish organizational community used all its muscle with Progress By Pesach and the Holocaust as a cudgel (would the mainstream Jewish community EVER do such thing? Misuse the Holocaust for preferred policy?!? No way!) behind closed doors?
 Hmm…let’s look at the AJC files from this past spring: http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content3.aspx?c=ijITI2PHKoG&b=846743&ct=6851853
 If you’re so offended by aggressive, pushy, self-serving lobbies, perhaps you should devote some time to attacking the insurance lobby, or the entertainment lobby, or any of the corporate lobbies which have far more pernicious influence and which exploit the American people in far more destructive ways than those who seek simply to protect the human rights of others.
Oh, for crying out loud, Dan. The entertainment lobby? I restrict myself mostly to the overtly Jewish lobbies.
The Jews are at the forefront of Hate Crimes (see that Forward link) and immigration. All I am asking is for the Jewish Left to stop subverting the will of the American people on this one. They don’t want mass immigration, least of all of Muslims.
Why are you people forcing this down their throat? Why are you swinging your dicks?Â
Let’s focus on where we sharply disagree. On the Left.
 Making America a welcoming and tolerant nation..
Don’t give me hippy-talk, mobius. Grapple with the problems.
"giving Muslims the sense that they are suspect and unwelcome reinforces the belief that Western values are corrupted, without merit, and worthy of overthrow"
Right, and mass immigration of Muslims is just going to ease their grievances of war, support of dictatorships, and U.S. pro-Israel history. We killed your family, took your oil, controlled your governments, but since we have mass immigration of Muslims, you are going to let bygones be bygones.
Are you kidding yourself, even?Â
 Just ask Nidal Malik Hasan, who was motivated in his hatred by having been singled out for abuse by his fellow soldiers because of his Muslim heritage.
Right. It was institutionalized racism’s fault. There is always an excuse. And you will need all of them, as escalation continues with more and more incidents here in the U.S.
Muslim mass immigration is not going to solve these problem, mobius. Rather, they will — through sheer numbers — increase incidents and discontent dramatically.
Who are you to pretend that you are going to change the views of everyone through aggressive, ostensibly universalist, pushy, ivory tower constructed, almost unilateral Jewish-preferred domestic policy? No wonder you are so offended. You are in-line with the Leftist Jews who swing their own dicks, and you defend their aggressiveness because it isn’t as bad and it isn’t violent as the Jewish Right.
Oh, aren’t you so wonderful. You aren’t as directly violent as the Neocons. How many gold stars do you deserve for that? Being of Big Nose persuasion and all that.
Since you agree with me that the Jewish Right is a problem. In fact, this piece was based in part on a conversation we had about how the Jewish Right has a habit of "swinging their dicks" around.
 Do you disagree with my assessment of the cost of the Jewish Right to this country?
 If not, then the only area we disagree with is the cost of the Jewish Left.
True or not true?Â
just go write for vdare or davidduke.com already.
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