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Daily commentary on the ADL/Armenian Genocide uproar JOIN JEWCY AS WE PROTEST ABRAHAM FOXMAN'S UPCOMING APPEARANCE IN MANHATTAN: Foxman's "friend and mentor" Elie Wiesel has described the denial of genocide as like "killing the victims again," and the ADL itself … Read More

By / September 5, 2007

Daily commentary on the ADL/Armenian Genocide uproar

JOIN JEWCY AS WE PROTEST ABRAHAM FOXMAN'S UPCOMING APPEARANCE IN MANHATTAN:

Foxman's "friend and mentor" Elie Wiesel has described the denial of genocide as like "killing the victims again," and the ADL itself says "A denial of the reality of genocide is, at its core, an appeal to genocidal hatred." But rather than apologizing to the Armenian community for his past statements, Foxman instead apologized to the Turks for his impertinence in ambiguously stating that they were not responsible for an actual, planned genocide during the years of 1915-1923. And all the while, Foxman has continued to assert that a congressional resolution affirming the genocide would be a "counterproductive diversion."

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  • Talat Pasha

    From Talat Pasha : 

    Joey Kurtzman,

    I m not sure you are really a Jewish or not. But if you are a Jewish really and you do not know some historical facts about you Jewish own history, I would like to remind you some of them ! 

    You had better do a great job if you Jewish try to find out HOW TO THANK MILLIONS TIMES TO OTTOMANS TO SAVE YOUR JEWISH ANCESTORS FROM THE JEWISH GENOCIDE OF CATHOLIC SPAINISH KING & HIS ARMY AFTER 1492 AC IN SPAIN THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST HOLOCAUST EVER HAPPENED IF IT WOULD TAKE PLACE !

    Ottoman Sultan had sent 2 warships to save and transport you Jewish from Spain to Anatolia. Remember that ? Those warships sailed nearly 17 times between Spain and Anatolia. Your these LUCKY ancestors had been settled in Izmir province. They have been given houses and lands freely.

    And today in Istanbul there is a foundation named 500th. Year that has been founded by grandchildren of your these Jewish Ancestors as the memory of those Jewish who had been saved & settled to Izmir in Anatolia by Ottomans! Remember or have you ever known that ? If not, then you can ask your those brothers in Istanbul, Turkey !

    And also young Turkish Republic has saved nearly 50 Jewish from the Holocaust that unfortunately happened in WW2.

    We Turks have never massacred ANY NATION OR GROUP like Armenians or Byzantions or Jewish ! If we Turks had massacred Armenians or Byzantions or Jewish you couldnt find ANY SINGLE ARMENIAN OR BYZANTION OR JEWISH specially in Istanbul that We Turks conquered Istanbul in 1453 AC and before Istanbul we Turks conquered Anatolia since 1071 AC, after Malazgirt Battle in Mush City in Eastern Anatolia today ! We Turks had lived Armenians together for nearly 850 years in PEACE ! That is quite & enough LONG TIME to massacre of any nation or group If we Turks really intended to do If you aware ?

    I wonder you, Joey Kurtzman have ever seen or heard of we Turkish Thesis and explanations about Armenians Claims ? If no, I will give you we Turks Proofs to help you Joey Kurtzman, to see and check and COMPARE and confirm Turkish Truths & Answers ! Of course If you have enough brave and If you dare to see Truths ! and how Armenians forged and fabricated their poofs ! 

    Armenians do not agree with Elie Wiesel and think so very much different from Elie Wiesel. Please check this link about that : http://hyelog.blogspot.com/2007/10/wiesel-is-right-on-genocide-recognition.html

    And also, I m sure you know Drogheda City and Harbor better than me !? You should ask those Irish people of Drogheda who Abdulmecid and Ottomans are ? Here is a link to help you to remember or to remind ! : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd%C3%BClmecid see after Emblem to the bottom of page !

    Here are the links that I want to give you. Please take a look and check them TO COMPARE Armenians Claims with We Turks Answers. It is so easy to see the Truths If you can look and read being a neutral side !? I wonder , Can you do that please ? :

    1- Introduction to Armenian Issue

    http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/intro/april.html

    2- Armenian Genocide is a HUGE L?E 
    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2211373447

    3- Armenian Genocide Hoax 
    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5038189546

     

    4- FOR FORGED TALAT PASHA TELEGRAMS
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    http://www.eraren.org/index.php?Page=YayinIcerik&SayiNo=15

    5- FOR FORGERY BOOK OF ANDONIAN ABOUT SO-CALLED TALAT PASHA'S TELEGRAMS :
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    http://www.ataa.org/reference/andonian-ataov.html

    6- FOR HOVHANNES KATCHAZNOUNI MANIFESTO
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    http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2006/05/679-dashnagtzoutiun-has-nothing-to-do.html

    7- FOR ARMENIAN FORGERIES AND FALSIFICATIONS
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    http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/articles/article10.html

    8- FOR REFUTATION OF THE ARMENIAN RESOLUTION ARTICLE BY ARTICLE
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    http://www.ttk.org.tr/index.php?Page=Sayfa&No=186

    9- FOR MORGENTHAU'S REAL STORY :
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    http://www.eraren.org/index.php?Page=YayinIcerik&SayiNo=18

    10- FOR TANER AKCAM'S BOOK CRITICIZING & ANSWERING :
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    http://www.ataa.org/reference/pdf/akcam.pdf

  • Anonymous

    Would you please ask foxman why they excepted jews holocaust and blacks slavery and they can’t except a simple armenian genocide? i guess if they except turks will not give them money. Traders.

  • Insider

    Abe Foxman is an embarrassment to the entire Jewish community and a man whose time has passed. Speaking from personal knowledge, the statement that Foxman cares about Jews and only Jews is not inaccurate. What it leaves out is that he also cares about only his own political agenda and that of his close circle of allies and protectors. He doesn’t even really care about the donors. Perhaps most disturbing is the fact that there are known bigots in his inner circle and one of them is very close to Foxman. Despite openly discriminating against non-Jewish co-workers this individual has been allowed to keep their job. Foxman has simply looked the other way and it’s a disgrace.

    The sad truth is that there are scores of passionate, dedicated professionals at the Anti-Defamation League – both Jews and non-Jews – working to further the true mission of the organization of fighting anti-Semitism and hatred of all kinds. Foxman completely ignores these people and has outright contempt for anyone who disagrees with his politics or view of the world. Andy Tarsy is not the first instance of that, only the most public.

    Under Foxman’s watch the ADL’s mission has strayed and is now dictated by his own personal agenda. He’s even had the hubris to restate the organizations mission to suit his needs. Those needs are not necessarily in the best of the American Jews he claims to speak for and definitely not what the ADL’s founders had in mind. Over the past 20 years Foxman has done more harm than good for Jews and the cause of Israel.

    I do not deny that Abe Foxman is a smart man, but there are eerie similarities to the Bush White House and Foxman’s ADL. Like Bush, Foxman relishes his power and has an unlimited capacity to deny reality. He has surrounded himself with a group of yes men and has become so out of touch that he makes a public mockery of the Jewish values I hold so dear. He does not speak for me or my generation and he never will. It’s time for Foxman to go.

  • The Stiletto

    Too bad the event is sold out. Will it be possible to get a transcript of Foxman’s comments on Jewcy – do you have a “mole” inside with tickets?

  • Anonymous

    Glad to hear that Foxman is being held accountable for his complicity in genocide denial. Honestly — this type of denial is the whole reason that nothing is changing in Darfur. Foxman’s denial is a human rights issue. A protest like this one is the best way to send a message — that denial is not acceptable. Its time to make some noise! Rock on!

  • zbird

    Apparently the ADL's governing body is a national commission consisting of a chair, about half a dozen vice-chairs, and several hundred additional members.  I imagine Foxman can be fired by either the whole commission or the chair and vice-chairs.

    The full list can be found on page 19 of their Form 990 filed with the IRS and available here:

    http://www.guidestar.org 

    –Z

  • Anonymous

    Jewcy: Congratulations for doing the right thing.
    Joey: YOU ROCK!

    Now about Foxman: Who can fire him? who are the key Board Members of the ADL that can terminate him (and shamefully haven’t done so yet)?

    While the scandal over Foxman’s statements is significant and has dire consequences, let’s not forget that this whole thing is really about the Turkish government and its despicable denial and revisionism and ongoing cultural genocide of Armenians. The Turkish government continues to engage in outright racism and sadism against Armenians. Passage of the Genocide Resolution is a pressing moral imperative for the entire civilized world, and its time has come!
    JUST PASS IT ALREADY !!!
    CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN/WOMAN AND ASK HIM/HER TO SUPPORT HR 106!

  • Anonymous

    Foxman has has already apologized to Turks and Turkey for “hurting their feelings” but has not yet pronounced a peep to apologize to Armenians!

    This is a scandal!

  • Anonymous

    The last stage of genocide is denial, and Foxman’s lobbying against the Armenian Genocide resolution only makes him an active participant in it.

  • Anonymous

    It looks like the Baron Der property, as the rest of Bethlehem may have been a base for attacks on Gilo. You guys should have thought of this before waging war on Israel. When you wage war, you have to be prepared for the inconveniences of war. The destruction on the Temple Mount is just a way to try to eliminate evidence of Jewish history on the Temple Mount. The comparison with Baron Der is obscene

  • Vrezh

    Do you think some rock groups could set up a quick concert outside Foxman's lecture?

  • Anonymous

    Now what does that Muslim temple have to do with protesting Foxman?
    If you want to be objective about historical destruction in Israel, do some research on Baron Der in Bethlehem.

  • Tolerate this

    The Waqf Muslim authority, using heavy tractors, has so far excavated a trench 120 -meters long, 1.5 meters deep, crushing fragments of monumental building, pottery and glazed tiles in their path. The trench runs through the northern and eastern parts of the 2,000-year old Upper Platform of Temple Mount, where the outer courts of the Jewish Temple were situated, including the Women’s Court, until the Roman destruction of 70 C.E. Today, the Muslim Dome of the Rock stands there. (See picture)

    Dr. Gabriel Barkai of Bar Ilan University is leading the protest against the wildcat, unauthorized Waqf project to improve the mosques’ infrastructure and demanding that the contents of the trench be scientifically excavated and documented before they are lost.

    “This issue transcends politics,” he told DEBKAfile. “It is a tragic loss for world culture, as much as or more than the effigies of Buddha destroyed by the Taliban in Afghanistan. It affects the foundations of Judeo-Christian civilization – as well as Muslim history in Jerusalem – by ravaging one of the most important sites for the history of mankind.”

    DEBKAfile’s sources add: The Temple Mount Plaza, paved over by the Muslim rulers of Jerusalem in the Middle Ages, has never been scientifically explored.

    All attempts to unearth and study the relics beneath the pavement have elicited a ferment of Muslim threats accusing Israel of attempting to destroy the mosques built over the ruins of the Jewish First and Second Temples. Even cautious shafts at a distance from the mosques are greeted with rage.

    Yet, in 1999 and again now, in 2007, the Muslim authorities themselves excavated deep below the surface to expand their mosques and improve their facilities. Then as now, they destroyed precious Jewish, Christian and Muslim artifacts with heavy tractors and dumped them helter skelter as unwanted debris

  • zbird

    Graggers outside the event are totally different from inside.  I just noticed the "sold out" sign on the link for the lecture.  So we'll be on the outside looking in.  

     Ironically the next lecture at the Y is by Noah Feldman.  Pretty soon they'll need to construct a "free speech zone" to handle all the protests. 

    –Z

  • Anonymous

    A hound dog found a bone and held it tightly in his mouth. He growled and scowled at anyone who attempted to take it away. Off into the woods he went to bury his prize.

    When he came to a stream, he trotted over the footbridge and happened to glance into the water. He saw his own reflection. Thinking it was another dog with a bigger bone, he growled and scowled at it. The reflection growled and scowled back.

    “I’ll get THAT bone too,” thought the greedy dog, and he snapped his sharp teeth at the image in the water.

    Alas, his own big bone fell with a splash, out of sight, the moment he opened his mouth to bite!

  • Foxy is Going to Hear It

    Man- I wish I could be there to watch Foxy Foxman try to talk his way out of this one. I hope that many Armenian Americans are there. Why don’t you bring a giant enlarged copy of the photo described as “The Kiss” elsewhere on this site. Let him explain how he can embrace a Turkish liar with a loving kiss yet look the children, grandchildren and greatgrandchildren of Armenian Genocide survivors in the face and tell them that the suffering of their ancestors is of no consequence. The deaths of their relatives doesn’t really matter anymore. Even though those deaths were “tantamount” to Genocide, “and if the term existed then, those deaths would have been called Genocide”, now we have to be concerned about the Jews in Turkey. Ask him “WHY” do we have to be concerned about the Jews in Turkey? Are they in danger? Have the Turks threatened them? Are they holding them hostage in this political game of chess? If so, ask him if he sees anything wrong with that. Shouldn’t those Jews in Turkey be treated with a bit more respect? (I suppose we could ask him if Hrant Dink could have been treated with a bit more respect as well.)

    If he is still confused about the application of the word “Genocide” to the Armenians, ask him if he has seen Mr. Goldberg’s excellent PBS documentary which contains actual footage of Raphael Lemkin, the Polish Jew who coined the word Genocide, use the word to describe the Ottoman murder of over 1.5 million innocent Armenians.

    P.S. Joey- You really are a good guy.

  • Joey Kurtzman

    Zbird, well, supposedly we're going to be able to get these goofy little toys that make a noise like a gragger, but no, from outisde I doubt we'd be able to drown out his speech, and even if we were able to, we wouldn't have any interest in doing. That's not how we roll.

  • zbird

    I was thinking it would be a nice to have an excuse to lift up my web-cloak of anonymity and meet you all.

    Just wondering: are you serious about the graggers? Because I'm definitely against Foxman, and I'm all for showing up with signs and asking pointed questions at the end of the lecture, but I don't like the idea of trying to drown out speech with loud noises just because we don't like the speaker's message. It would make us look like we're too stupid to argue intelligently.

     

    –Z