Muslamism May Spell The Death Of The West

Hahahahahaha...this was great.

We are so impressed by those who are not bogged down by religious dogma, that we make religious figures out of them.    Every religious group wants to feel  special by association to  those who have dissasociated from religion,  save the one to which they adhere.  

Insightful commentary !! 

Maddona was named, by Forward newspapaer in 2004, as one of the top 50 Jews.

Jews have claimed Chrisopher Columbus, ELivis Presley, and as you've mentioned Shakespeare to be Jews.

No religion is immune to this type of thinking.

You have athiests arguing with religious people about whether Albert Einstein and other famous people beleived in god..

I had harbored alot of the same suspicions, especially about Michael Jackson who Farrakhan hooked long ago, and the author here has openned many hidden doors to the Muslimist experience. I was shocked to hear that Tony Shahloub is not a closet Muslimist since his quirks seem very "Islamist" to me.

I was also not aware that sexual relations with Muslims were so complicated. And if Muslims are really Hindus that came up with the Kama Sutra in the first place, how come they seem so repressed? You have to be pretty freaky to come up with the Congress of the Fruitbat or whatever.

Anyway, a pleasurable and edicational read.

ps. What's a Muslim Scientologist?

pps. Maybe you can confirm this:

Speaking of Minister Louis Farrakhan, I heard he was actually just a plant from the CIA in a scheme to fund overseas covert operations by selling African-Americans bow ties. Is there any truth to that?

Louis Farrakhan has said he has Jewish ancestory.

He has been rejected by Jews ... the white ones; I don't know what the black Jews think of him. 

This reminds me of that Dave Chappelle Racial Olympics skit. Clearly Muslims would win any Religious Olympics. Bring it on peeps.

Thank you so much for writing this amazing article. I am keeping it and sending it around as it is BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

check out my blog on shariah finance

http://shariahfinancewatch.wordpress.com

allyson rowen taylor,

Your March 28 post on your blog corresponds to what Ali Eteraz is writing about. He talks about Muslims who try to claim non-mulsim are really Muslims. You posted a video of a girl that was stoned and claim that it is a Shariaj Law video, but the matter of fact is that the Iraqi girl that was stoned was not a Muslim, she was Yezidi ( a pre-Islamic religion).

Here's a simple solution for Muslims who don't want to get lumped in with the likes of bin Laden: don't call yourself a Muslim. Shocking?

Not really. When asked about their religion, Christians usually are specific about their denominations: Catholic, Baptist, Quakers, Calvinists, Mormon, Lutheran, etc. They are specific because there are big, important differences in ethics, policy, and history between the different branches of Christianity and people don't want to be lumped together with others whose ethics or history they may find objectionable.

Islam has as many branches and philosophies as Christianity, from mystic to real, from pacifist to ultra-violent. Declare (1) that you take a stance on these issues, and (2) find a commonly recognizable label for people like yourself, and people will stop lumping you together with terrorists and radicals.

But if you insist on calling yourself just a "Muslim", without declaring which kind you are, then don't complain when others actually lump you together with all the other Muslims.  It's your choice.

Where have I heard that before Mike, hmmm.

 Oh yeah:

"And Peter remembered how Jesus had said to him, “Before the rooster crows twice, you will deny me three times.” And he broke down and wept. ..."

I'd prefer not to define myself by your political preferences. Just a thought.

Geez - you complain when we try calling you guys "moderate muslims" to distinguish you guys from the violent extremists, and you complain when we call those political radicals "Islamists" because it taints you too.

 Mike above is right - either come up with a label for yourselfs, or tell those extremists to stop using the muslim label which you peaceful guys are using, or just accept the labels thrust upon by the media in the absence of a self-selected label.

 Stop whining about it though when others come up with a label when you guys are too lazy to do so.

R

 Yeah...labels. Any other 'complainers' in the hizzy?

Actually, it is not about labels. I think this satire is written about stereotyping, the result of which is a label (among other things). I can't say for sure, but I think the Ali Eteraz may be pointing something out about Muslim identity from the outside-in. There is some thought hidden in the satire about a Muslim's place in western culture and society.

I guess?

ROFLOL! HAHAHAHAHAHA! This was the best laugh I've had in a while! lol! I thought only Iranians did that, but then we believe the enitre Islamic heritage between the 9th and 15th century (and much of the rest of it) was the work of Iranians. lol. You will notice that Khayyam and Hafez that had that impact on Goethe are Iranians, and even the great Pakistani poet, Iqbal Lahuri, wrote his best poems in Persian. ;p ;p ;p :DDDD Thanks a lot Ali, this was truly grand. :)))

LOLOL

Researchers think there's an actual part of the brain that "gets" sarcasm -- and some people don't have it. You might have a bigger job than you think. Good luck with that. (Maybe this is why so many don't get God's little jokes...)

My aunts do this too, but with Jewishness.

One thing that they say that your aunts do not is, "she's Jewish, but she's trying to pass."

Cameron Diaz? Trying to pass. Courtney Cox - also trying to pass.

Apparently, back in the 40s and 50s, there really were Jews who tried to pass. Now, they see it everywhere.

However, I had a bad moment a few weeks ago. I was reading a story online about Amy Winehouse (hey, I think she's talented, ok?), and my son came up behind me, saw the image of this sickly, beehived, tatooed wreck of a woman, and asked, "Is she Jewish?"

I nearly said no.

My gay friends do this ALL the time. Almost everyone is gay or secretly bi-sexual. Too funny.

I'm pretty sure every culture likes to believe that it was the first in (insert magnanimous innovation). flash back to My Greek Wedding where the dad related every word back to greek like kimono

Someone please turn this article into a screenplay!  I am not Desi, but I would LOVE to be one of the Muslim women doing the "dance of the seven veils".

Thanks for the laughs and the highbrow humor. 

Best post I have read in a loooong time!!!!

ROFL! My heart flies to you man! My dad does that with PErsian all the time. LOL!

"And Peter remembered how Jesus had said to him, “Before the rooster crows twice, you will deny me three times.” And he broke down and wept. ..."

Judas denied his connection with Jesus. I'm suggesting that you deny your connection with terrorists and fundamentalists. That's not at all analogous. If you think it is, then you have a serious problem.

"I'd prefer not to define myself by your political preferences."

Then don't; I don't care. All I'm saying is that if you choose to label yourself in such a way that your religious community includes widespread anti-democratic, anti-human rights, and fundamentalists followers, then don't complain that people suspect you might hold those beliefs as well and treat you accordingly.

"All I'm saying is that if you choose to label yourself in such a way that your religious community includes widespread anti-democratic, anti-human rights, and fundamentalists followers, then don't complain that people suspect you might hold those beliefs as well and treat you accordingly."

Mike, if you could here yourself....

That sounds like every stereotype come to fruition in your head. It is probably politically useful for the Western media to highlight the cranks and kooks masquerading as Muslim leaders so you can feel better about stealing land and resources from a more or less defenseless people. Make media rock-stars out of a band of rag-tag losers and a cooked-up Islamic ideology so Halliburton and UNOCAL can steal whatever they want by defending free people from a minor threat. It is sad that so many Americans have fallen in the neocon trap and are so willingly deceived by politics and media slants.

Islam is beautiful to me and a movement of peace and self-knowledge. This does not change because you think otherwise. I am Muslim and I don't need to accomodate any other explanation to satisfy you or your politics.

"That sounds like every stereotype come to fruition in your head."

Spare me the self-righteous indignation.  I'm not stereotyping you.  I am saying that among the 1.4b Muslims worldwide there are millions that are anti-democratic, anti-human rights, and violent; that's just a fact.  You made the choice to treat all those 1.4b Muslims, including the anti-democratic, anti-human rights, and violent ones, as a single Muslim community. I'm asking you to explain this.  If you don't want to, fine, but then don't complain if people shun you.

"Islam is beautiful to me and a movement of peace and self-knowledge. This does not change because you think otherwise. I am Muslim and I don't need to accomodate any other explanation to satisfy you or your politics."

And to me, Islam is not beautiful.  And while you may think that following the Quran makes you a good person, to me, you are merely following meaningless rituals.

You have a right to practice your religion, but nobody is under any obligation to like or respect you for it. If you want to earn the respect of  non-Muslims, you'll have to do better than merely spewing your religious platitudes. 
If you don't, don't complain if non-Muslims shun you.

It is probably politically useful for the Western media to highlight
the cranks and kooks masquerading as Muslim leaders so you can feel
better about stealing land and resources from a more or less
defenseless people.

The notion that the West did this for financial gain is utterly ridiculous.  Afghanistan is a worthless dump.  And even if the US confiscated all of Iraq's oil, it would be decades before the expenses of the Iraq war would be repaid, and it's just not going to happen.

Furthermore, what exactly are you alleging to be "politically useful"?  Afghanistan was indisputably run by Muslim leaders, but the reason it was invaded was that it was clearly harboring terrorists.  Iraq, however, was just run by a dictator, and his religion played no role in the decision to go to war.

BTW, I was against both the war in Afghanistan and Iraq; I thought they were going to be a waste of money and would only result in those people blaming us for their problems, and I was right.

The truth was out there. Now it's in here!

You really hit the nail on the head with this article! Next time you need to give a spew alert, I almost spit out my coffee on to the PC screen.

There's a counterpart to 'muslimizing' all famous people --> putting anti-Muslim words into their mouths. I'm *constantly* told "did you hear what X said about muslims? that they are all vermin and need to be completely annihilated?" Grrrr.....

Ali Eteraz- you are BRILLIANT.

"Mad props" for this one:)

cool article!

 I thinks muslims have contributed more than most religions in various areas

 they take the lead in tolerance, new thinking, openess

not to mention humor :)

 greetings from Jonas

There is no honest way to refute the message of Islam. IF
murders, threats and intimidations are stripped away Muslims know that there is
NOTHING ELSE LEFT TO ISLAM. Islam is without a message to anyone out side its
death reach. Muslims fear Muslims NOT Infidel's, "Islam
requires victims". http://getwith.us

Dear A. Beverly,

You will have to make some changes to your website. Are you not aware that the men who killed the Egyption Coptic Hossam Armanious, his wife, and two daughters were not Muslim? The men convicted of killing the family are Edward McDonald and Hamilton Sanchez. See http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,149434,00.html

A. Beverly, there are many good Muslims and you need to remove the hate from your heart and open your eyes.

Unfortunately the media has to take much of the blame for much of the intense hatred expressed in the comments on this and many other websites. The majority of the media reports on only negative aspects of the Muslim world. They don't acknowledge the Muslim who fight for human rights in their countries; they don't report on Muslims who do positive things to help their communities and others.

because i have heard it all before. funny to those who never have, but it's all true (the assumptions of the muslamists that is). really.

"the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: 'Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them . . .'" (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

When will you renounce publicly such tyranny?

Anonymous (at
04/04/08 9:03 pm),

Regardless
of what religion you are or if you are an atheist, those of us living
in the West have to deal with the fact that while Western countries
preach human rights and democracy, they go around engaging in regime
change, supporting brutal dictators and kings who do their bidding.
When  are you going to renounce this hypocrisy and the death and destruction it causes?

 By the way there are many moderate Muslims
who condemn other Muslims who use their religious text to justify
committing violent acts.  But the media does not report on the moderate Muslims, they just like  to report on the extremists.

foundation and writings upon which islam is based remain a muslim? Mohammed was a Jew-wannabe preaching an Arab revision of Judaism, which Islam certainly is , who after being rejected by the Arabian Jews, took his vengeance on the Jews by violence and the hateful messages contained in both Koran and Hadith. There is no such thing as a 'moderate' muslim. If you believe in Mohammed and his teaching, then you are identical to Bin laden and every other Islamist preaching Death to the Infidel, Restoration of the Caliphate and Violent Jihad BECAUSE that is the islam preached and practised by Mohammed and carried out by all his successors up until the decline of the Ottomans. If you consider yourself a 'moderate' muslim because you don't believe in Mohammed's aggressive and imperialistic message, you are simply deluding yourself. Go find another belief-system which is more in keeping with your 'peaceful' and 'equal-rights-for-all' philosophy which you have had the good fortune to be exposed to in the West. You are no muslims that Mohammed would accept as muslim.

Anonymous at
04/05/08 1:05 pm,

Judaism borrows from many many other cultures.

Have you actually read the Old Testament? If you had, you wouldn't be pontificating about the violence in Islam.  But then if  you are a hypocrite, doing so is only natural. 

the same lack of critical thinking which seems to be the norm for most muslims. Tell me, what other religion has been conducting terror operations in a dozen countries in the last 30-40 years? What other religion has been blowing up airplanes, murdering non-believers, sanctifying suicide-bombers, and otherwise conducting every imaginable form of mass murder, all in the name AND cause of its Allah? Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism?

Those who are attracted to Islam in the West, excluding those who convert because of marriage, are overwhelmingly people with severe and chronic behavioral problems: drug addiction, criminality, personality disorders etc.In short, those in need of strong supervision and rigorous oversight of every aspect of their lives, these are the ones whom islam swoops up. It is no surprise that the prison system has produced many of, if not most, of today's Black muslims.  One only needs to compare muslim converts with those who are attracted to Judaism, Buddhism, the various Vedanta based systems, Ba'haism for example, to immediately be aware of the difference in the types of people and the belief-systems to which they gravitate.

I am not a Muslim, I am an athiest who unlike you is aware of the violence committed by other religions, as well as athiests.

"...there is a deep and bitter irony in the West's current claims to be
standing up to evil religious sects in the name of universal values. It
was precisely the West's earlier disregard for secularism and democracy
in the Middle East, its elevation of its own powerful interests over
the needs and desires of local populations, which helped to give rise
to a layer of apparently "evil" radical Islamism. What we have
today is not a World War between a principled West and psychotic groups
from "over there," but rather the messy residue of decades of Western
meddling in the Middle East.

Duplicitous Western support for Islamist movements has a long and
dishonorable history. In the early and middle 20th century, both
British and U.S. intelligence supported the Egyptian Muslim
Brotherhood, the group from which so many of today's radical Islamic
sects – including Hamas and even al-Qaeda – have sprung. Indeed, in the
1920s, the British, then the colonial rulers of Egypt, helped to set up
the Muslim Brotherhood as a means of keeping Egyptian nationalism and
anti-colonialism in check. The immediate precursor to the Muslim
Brotherhood was an organization called the Society of Propaganda and
Guidance, which was funded and backed by British colonialists. In
return, the Society provided Islamist backing to British rule in Egypt.
It published a journal called The Lighthouse, which attacked Egyptian
nationalists – who wanted British forces out of Egypt – as "atheists
and infidels." Under British patronage, the Society set up the
Institute of Propaganda and Guidance, which brought Islamists from
across the Muslim world to Egypt so they could be trained in political
agitation, and then take such anti-anti-colonialism back to their own
homelands."

See complete article at http://www.antiwar.com/orig/oneill.php?articleid=9615

you hear the one about shakespeare actually being sheikh zubair?

Randall Jones, your comments referring to the origins of the Muslim Brotherhood are wholly fictitious. The Brotherhood was founded in 1928 by Sheikh Hassan al-Banna in the city of Ismailia, on the banks of Suez Canal. It began as a kind of youth club where the Sheikh used to preach about the need to introduce moral and social reform into Egypt and the Arab world. Basically, it was a reaction to British occupation and the penetration of Western values into Arab society. The larger background was the collapse of the Ottoman Empire - the last Muslim empire - a few years before, and the abolition of the caliphate by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk in 1922, who sought to build a secular state on the ruins of the empire.

In the beginning, al-Banna's brand of Islam seemed peaceful. However, this did not last long since at the core of his belief stood the universality of Islam and its inclusiveness: religion and state are one. This required restoration of the caliphate - the creation of an Islamic state comprised of all Muslim countries, ruled by an Islamic government, based on shari'a, the religious law of the Koran.

Another disturbing characteristic of the Muslim Brotherhood is its xenophobic nature, which translates into anti-Semitism and anti-Christian preaching and activity.

In Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood soon became involved in politics and turned to violence. During the 1940s it established a special apparatus - al-Tanzim al-Has - that initiated a campaign of terror against the government and assassinated a number of political personalities, among them two prime ministers. It soon became the most powerful extra-political force in Egypt, threatening the regime and wrecking havoc in the country.

This campaign of terror is considered one of the important factors that led to the Free Officers revolution in 1952, thus putting an end to the only liberal experience in Egypt's history, initiated by the Wafd party. Later the Muslim Brotherhood became disappointed in Nasser's socialist and secular policy; it turned against him and tried to kill him in 1954 but failed. Nasser's reaction was brutal, declaring the organization illegal, arresting 60,000 people and putting them into camps. Its leaders were tried and condemned to death, thus ending the first chapter of radical Islam in Egypt.

Anonymous at 04/05/08 7:55 pm,

You call my comments fictitious; but they are not my comments. I put a link so that you could see where I got my quote.; unlike you, who did not put your source for your quotes.

 This is your sources http://www.jcpa.org/brief/brief004-18.htm
"How Egypt Molded Modern Radical Islam" written by Zvi Mazel.

My link uses Robert Dreyfuss' book Devil's Game: How the United States helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam as a source.

Here is an article by Robert Dreyfuss where he writes about Israel and Hamas

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/01/27/end_of_the_road_map.php

I'll quote part of it here:

It’s important to note, as detailed in my book, Devil’s Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam
, that Israel has only itself to blame for the emergence of Hamas.
After 1967, when Israel occupied Gaza and the West Bank, the Israeli
authorities encouraged the growth of Islamism as a counter to
Palestinian nationalism and the PLO. In 1967, Israel freed Ahmed
Yassin, the Muslim Brotherhood leader who founded Hamas in 1978-88, and
they encouraged the Islamic right and the Brotherhood to take control
of mosques and student groups. In 1977-78, the Israeli government of
Menachem Begin’s Likud officially licensed Yassin’s Islamic movement
and gave it official Israeli blessing. Throughout the 1980s, the Muslim
Brotherhood fought pitched battles against the PLO. In an interview not
long before he died, Arafat said: “Hamas is a creature of Israel,” and
he quoted slain Israeli Prime Minister Rabin as having told him that
Israeli support for Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood was a “fatal
error.” Several U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials told me about
Israel’s support for Yassin and the Brotherhood, and Chas Freeman, the
former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, told me bluntly: “Israel
started Hamas.”

There is no shortage of anti-American or anti-Israeli source material which lays the blame for every problem on US and/or Israeli policies. The fact remains, however, that to claim the Moslem brotherhood was founded and/or encouraged by the British is total nonsense. The brotherhood was a response to the penetration of Western ideas into Egypt. Its organizers were Islamic fundamentalists who saw the West as their enemy and who worked to eject them from Egypt and the rest of the arab sphere. The Brotherhood's interests and those of the British, French and Americans may have intertwined at various times, but these were temporary matters of convenience and never altered the Brotherhood's anti-Western agenda. Naivete is never a useful modus operandi in dealing with any real-life situation and , certainly, never when examining the  post World War 1 historical record of   European-American involvement  in Middle Eastern affairs.

According to Hasan Al-Banna's autobiography, the French paid for the first Muslim Brotherhood mosque in Ismailiya. I referred to this in my Wilders piece.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not
speak out because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was
not a Jew.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.

--- Pastor Martin Niemöller

Ben  Shulsky,

There is no shortage  of people in the media who accept anything negative written about Muslims or that blames all the problems on Muslims.  

No one said that Westerners founded these Islamic organizations, but they recruited, funded and trained the extremists in order to create divisions amongst the people in the Middle East, all to the detriment of the vast majority of the rest of the Muslims,

 The United States is always accusing  Middle East countries of funding and training extremists and demanding sanctions are placed on them, but when the United States and Israel does it, then that's okay.

All countries that that are attempteing to cause or fuel conflicts by funding and training militants should have sanctions placed agianst them until they stop. 

 Randall Jones 

    The 'moral equivalency' umbrella which all your comments reside under is all-too-common with today's apologists and appeasers of islamofascism. For those of clear mind and possessing objectivity, the absurdity of your 'arguments' is immediately apparent.

Ben Shulsky,

Do you have anything to say about the 3 to 5  million the United States killed when it bombed Vietnam and Cambodia?

Do you have anything to say of the United States' role in fueling the violence in the Congo by selling weapons and training oppposite sides of the conflicts?

The media trys to portray the world's problems as the West versus the Muslim world?  But the Untied States and its allies have cause death and destrecution in non-Muslim parts of the world as well?

Where is the morality in engaging in regime change (even democratically elected ones) and supporting brutal dictators and kings who do your bidding, instead of what's best for their own people? 

Where do you get your numbers from? Some off-the-wall lunatic Left-wing site no doubt. What is a fact is that the Cambodians murdered millions of their own people, as did the North Vietnamese after the Vietnam War. Your comments reveal an enormous lack of knowledge and/or common sense. Nations, from the dawn of Time, pursue their own Geo-political interests. The Russians,Chinese, Arabs, Persians, Romans, Greeks, British, French, Germans, Americans, all able to influence events outside their borders, do so. This is hardly startling news. You're trying, but not very skillfully, to change the focus from Islamofascism to World Affairs. Very Silly and Very Illogical. Muslims have killed more muslims in the past 50 years than any non-Muslim entity. The subject in question is not what nations have done in pursuing their interests but the existence of a religious mafia, Islamofascism, which has developed a worldwide network  pursuing a religious-based ideology of Death and Destruction.

Ben Shulsky,

And where do you get your numbers for the claim, "Muslims have
killed more muslims in the past 50 years than any non-Muslim entity?"

Western democracies have been, and still are, in bed with the "Islamofascists"
to the detriment of the vast majority of the rest of the Muslim world.

You brought up morality in your previous comment. Now you give the impression there is no morality, it's every country (or alliance) for itself, doing whatever they want, no matter how much death and destruction it causes.

PS. The subject in question is not Islamofascism, but about Muslims who claim certain famous non-Muslims to be co-religionists. Didn't you read Ali Eteraz's article?

Conservative estimates put the number of dead on both sides at approximately 1 million. Add to that the number of muslims killed by their own governments: the 20,000 estimated (by Amnesty International)Syrians killed at Hama by Assad, the The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled the documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights
Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed
100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. In Algeria, according to Algeria-Watch, at least 100,000 have been murdered by home-grown Islamists. Throw in the tens of thousands killed in Pakistan and Afghanistan by Jihadis and there is no doubt, if one is well-informed, that muslims have been responsible for the death of more muslims than non-muslims. Now go peddle your transparent nonsense on some Lunatic-Liberal-Anti-American forum where the delusion and ignorance is on the same level as yours.

Iraqi and Turkish armies have killed tens of thousands of Kurds
in the past few decades. The Pakistani army has killed hundreds
of thousands of Muslims in Bangladesh. Afghan Muslims have killed
many thousands of their fellow Muslims. The Iran-Iraq war killed
10 times more Muslims in a decade than America has in its entire
history! The Algerian civil war has killed a reported 100 thousand  Muslims in the 1990's
alone. Egyptian and Syrian forces have killed more Islamic activists
than America.