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Masada2000 and Jewish Cyber-Bully Culture
By richards1052 / August 3, 2007
Everyone knows the internet can be a nasty place. Foul language, hate, invective, inanity, you name it. But what's less known is that the Jewish web can be equally nasty. We Jews have a reputation for being disputatious and the internet is no exception. I've been blogging for nearly five years. People have wished cancer on me, called for me to be raped by Arabs and killed by "righteous Jews," called my children "simian," claimed I taught them to manufacture Palestinian suicide bombs, etc.
And as a recent Jewish Forward article points out, I'm not the only one. There are Jewish cyber-bullies everywhere:
Orthomom.blogspot.com, which covers Long Island’s Orthodox Jewish communities, was the subject of a recent lawsuit brought by a local elected official who charges that she was slandered on the blog. Last February, the official, Pamela Greenbaum, who serves on board of education in Lawrence, N.Y., filed a lawsuit in a New York state court in an attempt to force Google, whose subsidiary hosts the blog, to reveal Orthomom’s identity. Greenbaum claims that she was called a “bigot” and an “antisemite” on the blog.
In response to Greenbaum’s lawsuit, Public Citizen, a national public interest group that has played a lead role in defending free speech on the Internet, rushed in to defend Orthomom and filed a motion to quash. A decision in the case is still pending.
When Chaim Rubin of Life of Rubin defended Orthomom one of his commenters began berating him for his support of her. The going got nasty and Chaim banned him. The commenter decided to get even and created a blog called Ploni Baloney solely devoted to mocking Chaim. While he believes he knows the identity of the anonymous blogger he has no solid proof. That's precisely the problem with cyber-bullies. They are obsessed to the point of mania. But they prefer to lurk in dark, slimy places.
Steven Plaut is another Jewish cyber-bully who sees it as his role in life to protect the Jewish people from anyone who's ever voiced any criticism of Israel. As Rebecca Spence wrote in The Forward:
In 2006, Neve Gordon, a dovish politics professor at Ben-Gurion University, launched a civil suit against Steven Plaut, a hawkish professor at the Graduate School of Business at the University of Haifa, for referring to him in an article published online as a “fanatic anti-Semite” and a “Judenrat wannabe,” among other slurs. Plaut lost and had to pay more than $18,000 in fines to Gordon. Plaut is now appealing the case.
But there is one website that is the sine qua non of Jewish cyber-bullydom. Masada2000 has everything: naked men, dildos, Ariel Sharon in drag, Michael Lerner half-naked in a bath tub, and 7,000 Jews on the S.H.I.T. list. Who could ask for more? What is Masada20000 you ask? It's a strange beast run by someone who conceals his identity behind the moniker Big Al. Big Al is angry in the same way Meir Kahane was angry. Angry at Jewish peaceniks, the Fifth Column of the Jewish people. And doubly angry at perfidious Arabs. Masada2000 has a fetish for what I call Jewish porn. It's obssessed by homosexuality and Nazism. Jews on the S.H.I.T. (Self-Hating and Israel-Threatening Jews) are 'fags,' kapos' and 'Judenrats.' It's as if the site owner absorbed the poison the Nazis spewed against Jews and become what he hates–a Jewish Nazis.
If you're an enemy of the Jewish people in their book, you clearly deserve no privacy and the List often displays images of victims and their private e mail addresses.
I have a personal confession to make. I am on the S.H.I.T. List. In fact, when one of the site's 'friends' or perhaps the owner himself notified me of my "membership" I began a campaign to get the site taken down. Besides the fact that it featured an image of me that I owned and thus violated my copyright, I thought that any site that said that Jewish female peace activists "deserved a good reaming" deserved to be reamed itself. When their webhost took the site down they moved it to a Mormon webhost who didn't seem to mind nudity and lots of F-words directed at "sand niggers" and the like.
Ultimately I failed. No matter how many examples I provided to Bluehost of multiple blatant violations of their Terms of Service, they preferred Masada2000's loot to common decency. But I'm pleased to say that where I failed, someone else succeeded. Unfortunately, I cannot tell you how Masada2000 was brought down since I don't want to let any of its friends in on the secret.
No doubt, you'll read in the comment section below some Kahanewannabe pledging that 'Masada2000 will live forever' and such like. Perhaps. But making life tougher for those who spew hate is truly a mitzvah. And to the site's supporters I say, please don't talk to me about freedom of speech. Freedom of speech does not allow you to violate the law or invade the privacy of thousands of victims by printing their e mail addresses. Besides, when the site has been taken down it has not been because of its political speech, but rather because it violated the host's Terms of Service or violated other provisions that regulate websites (sorry for being so vague). There are many other websites that present a Jewish nationalist perspective without breaking laws and invading privacy.
Miriam Felton Dansky also wrote about Masada2000 in Flack-Listed at New Voices.
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Isn’t today Rosh Hoshannah, the Jewish New Year?
In that spirit, let’s leave the old things in the past and move on. Or as my friend (and your fellow Jew) David Lee Roth of Van Halen says, “Meet us in the future, not the pasture”.
Shania Twain to you all, my brothers and sisters!!
Speaking of apologies, have you apologized to Mr. Pagones yet re: your allegations during the Tawana Brawley affair?
I did not see a single post by Cosmo on the Jewcy atonement blog.
I really dig your hair Al.
And we hope he will refrain from making any other such racist comments in the future. But right now, I’m more concerned with all this talk of anti-semitism?
Isn’t it time that all of God’s children learned to live together?
Oh, and be sure to listen to my new radio show. It’s on XM channel 109 3:00 eastern/ Noon Pacific
I thought you’d be AVOIDING controversy these days or do I have to call Al Sharpton.
They DO have their own schools!!
Oh, it starts with a few jokes and some slurs. “Hey, denty!” Next thing you know you’re saying they should have their own schools.
I’m not!
You’re an ANTI-DENTITE!!
Nice , very nice .
On a Jewish website…
Since Zionism is the Jewish peoples national project.AND a the VAST MAJORITY of us are Zionists, that is an antisemitic remark.
Antisemitism…on a Jewish website..who woulda thunk it ?
Your not a Jew,your only interes in our affairs is that you don`t like Jews.It has nothing whatsoever to do with Palistinians and everything to do with your obsession with Jews.
Seen your type before…you people have been around for centuries and just never go away.
But now thanks to Israel , we Jews are STRONG ….and that is what sticks in your throat…strong Jews …. your daddy said it would never happen.
A tiny, tiny minority of Jews can not fathom strong Jews either…but Chomsky,Finklestein and Silverstein are in the tiny minority.
(How we can speak for all Jews? The vast vast majority of Jews support Israel and believe in Am Yisrael Chai….and thats fact )
JERK !!!
Just a few comments here, as I don’t have a lot of time…..
1) My name isn’t Tony and I have no idea who Tony is.
2) Someone posting as “anonymous” and then condemning others for not using their names is really hypocritical, not to mention dumb. Not that I don’t know who you are, ColoradoRockyMountainBlueRepublican.
3) You guys like to throw the word “kapo” around a lot, but you can’t even see who the true 21st century “kapos” are. Here’s a hint. The fascist thugs who funded the original Nazis are still in power. You guys know about Union bank, Consolidated Silesian Steel, and the concentration camp labor they used, right? And did you know that a man named Prescott Bush was responsible for that? So if you want to look for a Kapo under every rock, why don’t you start with the ones enabling the grandson of Hitler’s banker. Nazis then, Nazis now. Only they’re acting directly.
4) Again, all these accusations of “anti semite” “Stormfront” this and “protocols” that…… and you have no clue whether or not I, or anyone else here is Jewish or not. I don’t claim to speak for “the Jews” or “the (insert any other race, religion, gender, or orientation here)”, and I’m usually either amused or disgusted by those who do, whether or not I’m wearing my red shoes.
Thank you to Troll (or should I say Tony) and the Dickettes for proving my point. They asked for links and I gave them links. I asked for links and they just threw more shit against the wall trying in vain to make it stick. That is a prime example of of what happens when you stand up to bullies. They slink back into their holes tossing one last piece of garbage. Dickie take note, they post under false or blank names because they fear if they use their regular names their garbage will likewise be posted. Fine kettle of friends you have there defending yourself. Tell me and everyone, did you recruit them to defend yourself? If so you will soon learn a very valuable lesson. The enemy of your enemy is not really your friend.
A sincere thank you to the poster who was able to bring my post here. I should know by know that my computer skills are limited to playing solitaire.Â
“It was neocon Jews with ties to the Likud government who wrote the fascist PNAC war agenda ( Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Wuermser, Podhoretz, Kristol, and others,
And there’s nothing “anti-semitic” about saying so. (SAYS WHO ?? )
And AIPAC has far too much influence in our government. They aren’t the only dangerously powerful lobby, but they ARE the only one who directly advocates the interests of a foreign nation at the expense of the United States.“
Straight out of the Protocols…yes YOU ARE AN ANTISEMITE…
Fuckoff and get off the Jewish websites…antisemite !!!!
Wannabee Jews or wannabee Palistinian`s there are on the internet forums .They are more extreme in their views on this topic than any Jews or Palistinian.
They all have one thing in commen these ISM,Democraticunderground,ProgressiveIndependent,Stormfront.. `activists`…
….their `love` for us Jews….
To Trollbuster and the rest of the Dickettes I have done your work for you. I have limited my readings to just the year 2007 of Richard’s blog however I am quite sure that by going through the archives of past years I would have found just more of the same. Before I begin, one I thing I have noticed. How curious that most of your parents all gave you the same name “anonymous”. Not surprising that with one exception (Cassandra) none of you had the courage of your convictions to write under your own name. That doesn’t surprise me in the least and I rather expected it. Had you used your “regular” internet names you stood a good chance of my quoting some of your more obnoxious writings that have earned my disdain for you. Seeing as you know me from DU, I guess it’s a fair bet that I know you too. If my guess is correct, you don’t want to reveal that name lest I post some of your posts for Jewcy readers to read. BTW, if you didn’t have a reading comprehension problem, you would have known that we don’t exclude people from joining PSU because of political affiliation. We exclude racists, homophobes and anti-Semites regardless of affiliation only.
Now for some of Dickie’s mutterings but first, Richard claims to be a student of Israel and Palestine for some forty years. I have no doubt of this claim but do the math for yourselves, forty years ago was the occurrence of the 6 day war and despite Richard’s beliefs, history didn’t begin when he began his studies. One of Dickie’s themes is the occupation and that Israel must return to the borders at that time. Richard claims to have spent 2 years studying in Israel which I also don’t doubt. I’m also reasonably sure that during those two years he spent a portion of his time praying at the Kotel. I remind him that prior to 1967 he would not have had the privilege of doing that. Sure, make Jerusalem an open city available to all religions under UN or International supervision but let me remind you all that was the original intention and we all know how well that turned out. Today all religions can worship in Jerusalem. That was not the case prior to 1967. Who here is opposed to that? Richard if he wants to be honest can describe in great detail what the old city looked like prior to 1967.
Richard wants to call himself a “pro-Zionist” which is odd because every mention of Israel except for one comment to a responder to his blog made in April of 2007. Every blog article and or comment is critical or demonizing of Israel. Where is the “pro” part of his DNA?. He can criticize to his heart’s content for all I care but not under the guise of being a pro-Zionist. 100% criticism less one comment is hardly a pro-Zionistic stance.
The plight of refugees in any part of the world is a sad thing. Having to leave or be forced to leave your homeland is devastating for all. Why is there not a single word of the Jews that were forced or evicted from their homes also a tragedy? Close to a million Jews were evicted after 1948. Wait, that was prior to 1967 so it doesn’t count in Richard’s version of world history. What about the conditions those Jews were forced to live in those days. Wait, Richard does have something to say about that.
From June 2007:
1. “dhimmi
This word is so rampant among Islamophobes & carries such a loaded anti-Muslim connotation that I don’t use it & don’t want to see it here. Pls. don’t use it in future here”.
That’s a real shame that history conflicts with your outlook.
In discussion with a reader about the Golan Heights, Richard makes this ridiculous comment at another blog.
“And btw, since you seem too ignorant to know otherwise, those Syrian
Golan artillery batteries have been silent for 40 yrs”.
Really Richard and why do you think that is so? Could it be because it is no longer in the hands of Syria? I’m sure you have toured the Golan Heights, why not describe to your little army the picture of bullet ridden walls on the children’s nursery at a kibbutz. You will also have to tell them that occurred prior to 1967. Ooops, there I go again. 1967 was before your time of knowledge. I saw them in the 70’s so I am quite sure you saw them too.
Richard here accuses a poster of pre-judging Azmi Bishra with the following words:
“You’re speculating based on nothing more than yr prejudices.” (April 2007)
Yet here Richard seems to do the same:
“Corrie was the American ISM member who was murdered by an IDF tractor driver which she was attempting to block from razing a Palestinian home.” (January 2005)
Where I come from that is called HYPOCRISY. But in Richard’s world the IDF are all liars and can’t be trusted, so it’s all right for him to play judge and jury. I’m sure he knows everything because the ISM told him so.
Tell me how deep is Dickie’s “pro-Zionism that his hatred of one person can cause him to write the following?
“I haven’t read Finkelstein’s book, but I despise Alan Dershowitz so I’m sympathetic to any book taking him to task. However, I understand that Finkelstein is an anti-Zionist or something close to it, a view I don’t share.” (January 2006)
Speaking of Dershowitz, Dickie properly complains about the use of his personal image to ridicule him, yet that same standard doesn’t seem to apply to him.. (June 2007)
Dickie writes endlessly almost obsessively about “civility” on the Internet but how civil is it to label those who disagree with his point of view Likudists or Kahane scum? When was it decided to appoint him the task of labeling who the “good Jews” are. Sorry, I have seen that movie already and have no wish to see it again.
Followers of his blog are aware of his endless whining about a certain web award. Reading his posts on this subject, one theme is always apparent. Poor Richard is always the “victim”. I daresay that theme has followed him throughout his life. Time to grow up Dickie.
Isn’t that where tombstoned losers from DU’s Israel/Palestine forum go to whine and seethe?
* gabyspoppy: disgraced former DU moderator. Rumored to have posted racist comments about Palestinians on a private site. The rumors are true.
* drdon: lasted on DU as long as he did because noone took his illiterate postings seriously. Noone took the ‘doctor’ part seriously either.
* queerjustice: another illiterate ‘doctor.’ Except when he posts as orech din. Then he’s an illiterate ‘lawyer.’
* ColoradoBlue: fan of Charles Johnson and Daniel Pipes. What more needs to be said.
* Gimel: who?
* cantwealljustgetalong: no we can’t.
Only 6 losers listed?
That’s a third of PSU’s active membership folks.
Must be really sad to be kicked off a vibrant site like DU and end up in a hole like PSU.
No wonder they’re all so bitter.
This is a Jewish internal matter.
We Jews , progressive,conservative,Likud,Labor,American,Argentinian,Israeli or South African..are all Jews..and Jews support Israel.
And if a Jew does not support Israel, such as Naturei Karta or Silverstein (Kapo) ..its a Jewish problem , and we argue it out on Jewish websites.
The views of Pat Buchanen,Vladimir Lenin,Le Pen,the ISM,David Duke,Democratic Underground trash such as Joad/Harris,PI trash such as Tinnoirre,Hamas ,Islamic Jihad ,Stormfront trash,Rense trash,and the National Socialist parties of America or France are completely irrellevant to us.
So in other words in internal Jewish matters ,with regard to YOUR views and those of others such as Cassandra …we just dont give a FUCK…it has absolutely fuck all to do with you or your minions on http://www.stormfront.com.
Happy to see that masada2000 is doing just fine. Silverstein should have his own website where he can showcase *his* particular brand of poison. GabbysPoppy has hit the nail on the head. As has been pointed out at PSU : “Now I realise the man’s name is Silverstein, but just because a cat has kittens in the oven doesn’t make them biscuits. Silverstein or Greenberg, Smith or Smythe — sounds just like another antisemite to me.”
but you Meshugganas really need to lighten up! Oy vey!
For that matter, why do you assume that I’m NOT Jewish?
Not that it matters…. you PSU zionzombies would call me an “anti-semite” either way.
What I can say is that your narrow minded Likudist viewpoint does not represent most Jews on either side of the planet, and that you all really need to back off with the accusations and the name calling.
So who gives a shit about your Dual Loyalty garbage. Most of us are Jews and a lot uf us are not US citizens.
Just go to other forums where he posts.Such as Democraticunderground.
There you will see 2 sides.One side made up mostly of JEWS. And the other side made up mostly of lefties,lots of clearly antisemitic posters ,and ONE Jew.
ONE Jew, posting and supporting Antisemites.
Against ALL the other Jews.
Sounds like a Kapo to me.
For whatever reason I wasn't able to C & P my response in the usual manner. It was too long to re-type it so viewers can read it at PSU in the response forum.
http://Prosemiteundercover.phpbbnow.com
your thought process is bizarre
….you don’t have any more weak assed arguments left?
Your last post.
Your statements regarding the loyalty of Jewish Americans, whether they be neocons or anything else, is overt anti-semitism, plain and simple. As a leftist opposed to the basic tenets of neo conservatism, I find your statements despicable and abhorrent. Clearly they have no place on a Jewish website.
Gabyspoppy to another person: 'You make some ridiculous claims YET do not post any supporting links to back up your charges. Quite the McCarthyist you are.'
You have made ridiculous and hateful claims about Richard Silverstein yet you have refused to post any supporting links to back up your charges. And now here you are bleating at someone else that they're doing exactly what you are guilty of yourself. Grow up and gain at least some intelligence before polluting this site any further.
After watching you insult people and demand they show you specific examples of things, I join this comments section and ask you to supply some specific examples to back up your claim that Richard is a Kapo. Instead of doing it, you demand that I show you he's not, and not realizing that I've already read his blog and know there is nothing to back up your claim, demand I read his blog and find something. Then you totally ignore the questions I asked you and proceed to get abusive and insulting. Your either incredibly stupid or totally consumed by your hatred of anyone who dares utter a word critical of Israel, or both. Take your hate and your trash and your defence of hatemongers who engage in internet harrassment back to that hole you came from
I remember you from DU! You and your buddy Dr. Don (doctor of WHAT, exactly, I’m not quite sure) seemed to always be in competition to see which one of you could get away with the most blatantly right wing post.
There’s nothing remotely “progressive”, “Liberal”, or “Democratic” about PSU, so drop the act. Some of the people there actually brag about being “conservatives” (i.e. neocons or Likudists or both) Usually they’re the ones who haven’t been booted by Skinner’s DLC flunkies yet. Hey, at least we can agree on one thing…. that website has gone straight to Hell in a handbasket.
More to the point though, you accuse me of McCarthyism and making “ridiculous claims”, but fail to mention what you mean by that?
I’ll say this point blank…. ANYONE who puts the interest of a foreign nation against that of the United States of America, is guilty of treason. It doesn’t matter if that person is Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, or Atheist, and it doesn’t matter if the foreign nation is Israel, Mexico, Japan, or goddamned Never Never Land. But in the case of PNAC it happens to be Jewish American neocons who wrote this fascist doctrine in the late 90′s and word for word made it the foreign policy of the Bush administration. As far as the direct ties to the Likud party of Israel, that comes from the fact that the PNAC document borrowed a lot from a document known as “A Clean Break :A New Strategy for Securing the Realm” which was prepared for the Netanyahu Likud government of Israel in 1995. The authors of that original document included Richard Perle and Douglas Feith, who would later form PNAC, and then join Monkey Boy’s cabinet. David and Meyrav Wuermser, (who now head up the Zionfascist MEMRI.org with Daniel “Crack” Pipes), also contributed to the “Clean Break document, which you can read here, if you aren’t familiar with it…..
http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm
So, sorry to disappoint you, but no anti-semitism here. I don’t hate anyone because of race, gender, orientation, religious heritage or anything like that.
But I despise political ideologies which are destroying my country. And this Likud driven bullshit “war on terraism” is exactly that.
You are just another juvenile moron that believes if you throw enough crap against the wall some of it wi;; stick. You make some ridiculous claims YET do not post any supporting links to back up your charges. Quite the McCarthyist you are. You must have your list in your pocket. Just a guess but I would hardly be surprised if you have already been outted at PSU and now you are trying to get even.
I think you should just leave off the busters part of your id, and leave it at troll. Anti-semitic troll that is. Glad to see you agree with a two state solution, something I agree with as well. But the rest of your rant is a collection of anti-semitic hyperbole which would have made Hitler proud. The Jewishness of some neocons is irrelevant much as the Christianity of the others. Is Bush Jewish? Cheney? Colin Powell? Condoleeza Rice?
Your logic is the same as that of the Nazi’s who like to blame Jews for the rise of Communism. Sure there were some key Jewish intellectuals involved, but Jews are a successful, intelligent minority so that shouldn’t come as any surprise. No movement is ever going to suceed as a Jewish movement. Blaming the Jews, something you clearly do, is plain old anti-semitic rubbish and intellectual sloppyness.
Why are there so many fucking ignorant people when it comes to the history of Israel? THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A PALESTINIAN COUNTRY! The term Palestine is not Arabic in orgin and is what Israel was renamed thousands of years ago. Anyone who lived in Palestine was called Palestinian including the Jews. Arabs have created a false country and people. It’s all lies.
No to a two-state solution! Arabs already have more than twenty states, many which are occupying Jewish land, like Jordan which was carved out of the Jewish homeland.
The anti-semitic idiot above has no concept of reality and needs to go back to school. Your interest is supporting Arab Islamic terrorists who want to destroy Israel and America.
It’s one thing to be proud of one’s Jewish heritage and/or have legitmate concerns about anti-semitism. However, the PSU site is not about that.
It is about furthering the Likudist propaganda that ANY opposition whatsoever to the polices and actions of the Israeli government, no matter how criminal, psychotic and fascist they may be, is equal to anti-semitism. Furthermore, the PSU trolls even imply that those who DO oppose Likud Zionfascism are the equivalent of David DuKKKe or Nazi Skinheads.
For the record, I support a two state solution. Israel and Palestine BOTH have a right to exist. I despise the Likud party of Israel, just as I oppose the neoconservative “Republicans” in the US. Both serve the exact same interest. It was neocon Jews with ties to the Likud government who wrote the fascist PNAC war agenda ( Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Wuermser, Podhoretz, Kristol, and others, though they were certainly accompanied by the corporatist “Christian” fascists like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. In no way does this make all Jews or all Christians guilty, but the truth CANNOT be ignored about those who are responsible. And there’s nothing “anti-semitic” about saying so.
And AIPAC has far too much influence in our government. They aren’t the only dangerously powerful lobby, but they ARE the only one who directly advocates the interests of a foreign nation at the expense of the United States.
Little Dickie’s Diaper Droppings now at new address:
http://dickiesilverstein.blogspot.com/
The example he provides is not an example of cyberbullying.
This is from the NCPC website which fights cyberbullying:
“Online bullying, called cyberbullying, happens when teens use the Internet, cell phones, or other devices to send or post text or images intended to hurt or embarrass another person. Cyberbullying is a problem affecting almost half of all American teens. Whether you’ve been a victim of cyberbullying, know someone who has been cyberbullied, or have even cyberbullied yourself, there are steps you and your friends can take to stop cyberbullying and stay cyber-safe.”
What Richard Silverstein is doing is defaming his critics by refering to them as incorrectly as cyberbullies, as if they were committing a crime. It is a cheap, lame attempt at deflecting one’s critics. It also is a McCarthyite tactic of trying to silence the opposition, which is quite hypocritical considering the source.
You have shown your ignorance far better than I could have portrayed.. I gave you his blog to read and you were challenged to provide a few examples where he was not demonizing israel. You couldn't even find one example. That blog is full of examples proving my point.
Time for you to crawl back into your hole and stopping making yourself looking more of a fool.
Masada 2000 is back up, defying the anti-Jewish McCarthyist Richard Silverstein!
Freedom of speech wins one more round, whiny jihad-sucking Kapostein zero!
http://www.campus-watch.org/weblog/id/90
What a pathetic little whining liar bitch he is!
Well, if Silverstein’s endless whoring for neo-Nazis like Norman Finkelstein is not enough, if his endorsements of terrorist spies like Bishara are not enough, if his grovelling endorsements of the Neo-Nazi Counterpunch web site are not enough, if his daily campaigns for granting tenure to jihad terrorists and anti-Semites are not enough, if his attacks on any Jew who thinks Israel has the right to exist are not enough, then nothing will convince “Cassandra”. She/he will argue that when Silverstein rounds up Jews to be put in concentration camps run by his jihad friends – he is doing so to express his criticism of Israeli foreign policy.
I've repeatedly asked you for specific links to back up your claim that Richard is a Kapo. You have refused to do so and I have no choice but to come to the conclusion from reading your replies and after reading Richard's blog that you have no examples to show. Even worse than that is that you think it is okay to abuse Richard and call him a Kapo because he is critical of Israel. Why do you believe that criticism of Israel makes someone an anti-semite or a Kapo? Do you have an aversion to people being critical of the US as well?
Treason is an act of betrayal or a crime against a person's own country. Is criticism of Bush treason? Of course not. Is criticism of Israel by a citizen of another country treason? Even less so.
I have no clue as to who you are but you are certainly NOT a member of our forum (PSU). We certainly don't "punch Goyim" in the mouth.
You are obviously a troll with the intention of mis-characterizing our forum. So do us all a favor and ESAD.
Well, more than one actually.
It’s so nice they don’t pay in USD.
The website Gestapo line their pockets nicely if they look the other way when we have our fun, and it’s not hard to make a enough paying posts a week to fill your own. And who cares? The goyem deserve our fists in their rude little snouts. Stop making life difficult for us and have some fun yourself. You can always join us on PSU under a new identity and stop this nonsense.
They hunted us down like dogs in the past. Isn’t it time we join in packs and show them what it’s like to be hunted?
I suggested you read his blog for yourself which it seems you neglected to do. Try reading it and find a few examples of his not demonizing Israel and then we can talk. His blog is one entire example and I refuse to have to shower each time I visit there.
If you choose to defend his crap that's your choice but at least try to appear to have an open mind.Â
I think the vast Majority of Jews in the world would not need any `definition` of treason , when reading a Blog like Richard Silverstein`s to decide that what they were reading was written by an enemy (even if its from within/or Kapo ) of the Jewish People….and YOU…know it !!!!!!
(and I never even wrothe that Schpiel above Cassandras)
I asked you to provide examples that Richard is a Kapo and you didn't provide any examples. If you are so sure he's a Kapo and you're not just being one of the cyber-bullies he spoke of in his article, why can't you provide links to specific examples of him being a Kapo?
 To the anonymous who posted above me. Learn the definition of defamation and treason and try using them correctly if you ever want to be taken seriously.
Since peddlers of horse manure like Little Dickie Silverstein misuse the term “Tikkun Olam” obsessively, please read this clarification of what Tikkun Olam REALLY means, written by one of the victims of Silverstein’s defamations:
https://www.jewishpress.com/page.do/14598/The_Rise_Of_Tikkun_Olam_Paganism.html
Putting Silverstein in prison for treason would be a far higher form of Tikkun Olam than reading his silly blog!
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2007/06/poor-richard-silverstein-and-tikkun.html
Delightful and delicius!
Let’s clarify something. Lerner is not and never was a Rabbi, was never ordained by any Rabbinical seminary, is not accepted as a Rabbi even by the Reform, essentially ordained himself, knows absolutely nothing about Judaism, does not practice Judaism, advocates taking LSD and breaking the law, is anti-Israel and pro-al-Qaida, has an endless track record of lies.
Almost as bad as Little Dickie Silverstein.
Read it for yourself if you have any doubts. Rabbi Michael Lerner a person I hardly agree with said something very poignant which I do fully agree with. I paraphrase:
Criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitic in itself however when you come across a person who only criticizes Israel you are most likely dealing with an anti-Semite.
Now I do not like the term "self hating Jew" as a description and prefer to use the term kapo which is more fitting and especially in this case. I have repeatedly asked this person to point out portions of his blog which is not critical or demonizing of Israel and he refuses to do so. Why do you think that is? Probably because he can't do it and I am correct in my labeling him as such.
So call him whatever you choose for yourself. I think Rabbi Lerner's definition meets all the requirements here and you can hardly call Rabbi Lerner a right wing loon.
Start out with his campaign for Neo-Nazi Norman Finkelstein. Add to that his campsign on behalf of the traitor spy Azmi Bishara! Then their is his whoring for CAIR and Muzzle Watch.
Before calling Richard a Kapo you might want to show some examples of that.
Before calling us a hate site you might want to show some examples of that. Our "hating" anti-Semites doesn't really count. In fact if my intuition is correct, you are probably one of the posters we have singled out. Try using your screen name when making false charges if you want to be taken seriously. Hiding behind anonomity while making charges hardly earns any credability with any of the readers here.
I bet given 5 chances I can figure out your name.Â
Are scurrillously labelled so by those whos views they disagree with.
There`s nothing unusual about Prosemite undercover, and the views expressed there are mainstream Jewish views.
At PSU the people there `take on` mainly the David Duke`s of the world and their antisemitic supporters ,who cloak themselves as `progressives`.
They also take on a few Jews who seem to be in cahoots with this anti Jewish crowd..wittingly or unwittingly.
If ProSemiteUndercover is a hate site…then the views of the vast Majority of world Jewry is probably scurrulously considered HATE by you antisemites and the handful of Jews cheering you on.
Take a look at Democraticunderground for example .
The vast ,vast majority of people supporting Israel there, are Jews.
The anti Israel/anti Jewish crowd there ,are not…with one or two exceptions , such as Silverstein…
But the vast majority of that crowd are not even Democratic party supporters , and not even Palistinian or Muslims…the only thing that attracts them to the debate…is …
…..Jews……………and their dislike of us.
and an extremist racist internet group. Anyone can check it out for themselves.
Just as anyone can check out Richard’s blog for themselves. Everyone should and compare the difference and see for themselves which one is progressive and which one is promoting hate.
You disappointment me. I challenged you to post a few links exhibiting your claim to be a "progrssive Zionist" and you claim that is filth. I DON'T UNDERSTAND, I would have assumed you would be happy to prove your case. All you did was prove to all that you are a truely a whiner.Â
 To quote your own words:
"Let's see if that happens"
I couldn't think of a better representation of Jewish cyber-bully culture than the comments above. Â When I read the comment that predicted I'd be sentenced to jail for treason I realized that Kahane chai! –Kahane does indeed 'live' in the hate preached by sites like Masada2000, the other cesspool sites linked above & the filth preached by Gabyspoppy & Anonymous Coward in comments above.
I don't know that Masada2000 is down forever as another commenter wrote above. I'd like to think so. But undoubtedly where hate and passionate conviction intersect they'll be a will & a way to get it up again.
It would be nice to know that even those Jews & Jewcy readers who disagree w. my views might disown the hate preached here. Let's see if that happens.
Richard Silverstein
Tikun Olam (blog)
Unlike Little Dickie’s own scurrilous little anti-Israel pro-terror blog, I suspect Masada2000 will still be up and running long after Dickie Silverstein is rotting in prison for treason and slander.
Let me see if I got this right…
I have never read Masada2000 , but from your post,what I understand is that you were placed onto a kind of `wall of Jews of shame` …7000 of them? (from reading your Blog , I got an inkling deservedly so,but I digress).
And because this website…Masada2000…placed you in this group….you Mr.Silverstein ,have now made it your lifelong mission to write about it and put all your efforts,and time left on this earth into making sure they do not reappear ? (A very productive and commendable way to spend all your time Mr.Silverstein.)
I got this right Mr.Silverstein?
Actually, Masada2000 is far LESS offensive and defamatory than the inane Israel-hating smearmongering obscene little web site run by Kapo Richard Little Dickie Silverstein, named “Tikun Olam” even though he has no idea what the term means.
This is terrific news. It was a nauseating, grotesque enterprise…glad to know its gone forever. And I can’t say I wish the person or people behind it any good. SD
Masada2000 was an execrable piece of garbage. Its passing will not be lamented.
I personally find your attacks on Masada2000 to be hypocritical and offensive. You are parading around as a liberal progressive (at least when it comes to Israel) and yet you are apparently advocating censorship and McCarthyite bullying tactics of your own. Sorry but it is impossible for me to take you seriously, given these tactics.
To you and your loony lefty David Duke types , is anyone who disagrees with your antisemitic screed.
Amazing how so called `progressive` posters like you ,can throw in a homophobic slur…and consider it `progressive` as long as its pointed towards a Jew..its OK then….
Little Dickie Silverstein smears 6 million Israeli Jews. cheering Arab terrorists and calling for Israel’s destruction. He smears anyone who thinks Israel has the right to exist and collaborates with CAIR and similar fascists.
For details, go to http://www.richardsilversteins.blogspot.com
Your comments are typical of throwing crap against the wall in hope something sticks. Both Colorado Blue and myself add our names to anything we post on the Internet and for you to claim otherwise is a pathetic example of the "bullying" you say you despise. But hypocrisy is to be expected from you so I shouldn't be surprised.
You like to call yourself a "progressive Zionist" yet I challenge you to post some examples of that from your pathetic blog. Kind of reminds me of putting lipstick on a pig etc. Sorry, that lipstick fails to hide your bitterness and hatred of the State of Israel.Â
"we're not real fond of Mr. Silverstein, with all due respect.
Why? Because we don't feel there's anything helpful about his attacks on his fellow Jews."
Which attacks on my fellow Jews? You mean Masada2000? This is something you actually defend? That's rich. And you defend calling for Jewish women to be "reamed?" This type of hateful abuse is not something worth criticizing?
No doubt Colorado Blue is the same person who has linked in at least 4 comments at Jewcy to a pornographic site created by the owner of Masada2000 which defames me. If you're not doing this then do deny it. Someone else in this thread seems to think you are as well. It appears when some Kahanists smear their fellow Jews they do it behind a mask of anonymity, hence using "Anonymous." That's why Masada2000's owner conceals his own identity so he can smear 7,000 fellow Jews fr. behind a veil of hate. At least when I attack a Jewish hater I don't hide behind anonymity.
Richard Silverstein
Tikun Olam (blog)
The site you are promoting calls Richard a Kapo. What was that you said about attacks on fellow Jews not being helpful? Shame on you!
Prosemite Undercover’s address is:
http://prosemiteundercover.phpbbnow.com/index.php
And no, we’re not real fond of Mr. Silverstein, with all due respect.
Why? Because we don’t feel there’s anything helpful about his attacks on his fellow Jews.
We DO deplore bigotry, racism, Islamophobia, antisemitism, misogyny, repressive governments, attacks on gay people, threats to the environment, people who exploit the poor and harm animals, and long for a peaceful resolution to the warfare in the Middle East.
For the most part we’re liberal to far left, include several people who would fall into the Socialist category, and defend Israel BECAUSE of that and not in spite of it. The sad fact of the matter is, Israel has been wrongly portrayed as an overwhelmingly powerful Goliath when in fact it’s a tiny, barely viable state of a mere 7 million highly diverse people, which exists at the whim of greater powers (and possibly by a series of miracles.)
People who are interested in finding solutions to problems, including the Arab/Israeli conflict, would do well to think creatively and try to build bridges rather than simply attacking and smearing other people. One of the saddest things about the Arab-Israeli conflict is the lack of realism combined with the lack of imagination and empathy in much commentary about the issue.
There is also an astonishing amount of real hatred expressed – how many comments do you see along the lines of “F*** Israel” or characterizations of Zionism straight out of the “Protocols”? Be honest – it’s appalling. We’ve seen art straight out of der Sturmer, linked to “progressive” websites, and proudly displayed at “peace rallies.”
With respect, how is this going to help either Israelis or Palestinians? Will it build bridges between Muslims and Jews? I think the opposite is more likely. In fact polarization between Judaism and Islam would be a very great tragedy, which ugly invective won’t prevent. Only openhearted dialogue and an honest reading of history can change the future.
As for PSU, we started the site because we’re deeply concerned about growing antisemitic sentiments and incidents, visible increasingly on the blogosphere and most alarmingly, on the Left. People ARE angry, angry and frightened, and concerned about our friends and relatives in Israel and elsewhere in the Middle East as well.
Actual antisemitic incidents – attacks on Jews and Jewish institutions – DOUBLED in my state in one year. Overtly religious Jews have been assaulted on the streets in my neighborhood and synagogues in my area have been defaced, damaged by fire, the offices of a Jewish politician vandalized. Incidents in Europe are increasing dramatically and portrayals of Jews in the Middle East, on TV, in books, in movies, in papers, are frighteningly similar to those from Nazi Germany.
Sadly, in America, we’ve grown used to judenhass on the far Right but to see it on the Left really scares and saddens us. Historically this particular form of bigotry has proven to be devastating, literally decimating the global Jewish population which today is still only around 14 million. That’s some 2 million short of the pre WWII population.
And, it is impossible to separate classic judenhass from many of the attacks on contemporary Israel. They are inextricably linked, just as the establishment of Israel was linked both to Jewish historic and ongoing ties to the land of Israel, to antisemitism throughout the world, to the way Jews are personified throughout the Middle East, to the way Israel is demonized among nations, and to the general blindless of her critics to the larger context of the Middle East.
Israel was created in the wake of the Holocaust and survives today in a war zone, the target of Arab League boycotts, threats to destroy the state, endless bias on the part of the UN. Her citizens are essentially expected to sit quietly and be attacked by rockets and homicide bombers and kidnappers: any other response merits hysterical OTT reactions both in the media and among her “critics”.
For example a person in Jerusalem attacked a security guard the other day, stole his gun,shot him and went on a rampage, hitting several other people, until he was finally killed. Headlines – initially in the BBC (“Palestinian killed in Jerusalem”) and in the Arab press – did not indicate the nature of the attack at all but read “Palestinian Shot Dead by Israeli Guard in Old City of Jerusalem” (http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=24648) – this is hardly contributing to an atmosphere in which trust can be rebuilt and a viable Palestinian state created.
This is particularly true in view of the fact that much Arab thinking, from what I’ve gathered through extensive study, doesn’t really accept the idea of ANY independent Jewish state, within any borders, anywhere in the Middle East, and is in fact closer to Hamas’ philosophy than most American liberals want to admit. Culturally there IS a real gap in perception about Jews, about Israel, about Zionism, and again – only thoughtful, precise dialogue can bridge the gap – if at all.
The Saudi Peace initiative, on the surface a breakthrough deal, is actually phrased more along the lines of a threat and doesn’t creatively address either border issues or the ROR, nor is the fact of Jewish refugees from the Arab world widely acknowledged in ANY forum; nor is there any creative thinking about the Palestinian Arab victims of 60 years of warfare either – nor about the roles played by the UN and other Arab states (and the Soviets, et.al.)in creating and perpetuating the refugees’ situation; or about the fact that it is impossible to go backwards in time. Yet many around the world seem to want to do precisely that.
I think we need to go forwards. And to do that we need to start talking TO each other, not at each other, and we need, as Jews particularly, to stop beating ourselves up. The fact is clear and simple: Jews as a people remain a tiny and hated minority. We are not a nation of billions. We are a handful of people who share a remarkable diversity of opinion, but within that remarkably diverse and remarkably verbal group, we need to share some respect for our historically precarious position.
In any case, as far as PSU is concerned, people who wish harm to Israel and to the Jewish community, who lack creative ideas about solutions to vexing problems, will try to confuse us with those who hate, when in fact we stand for the opposite. But we do reserve OUR First Amendment rights to complain about the demonization of Israel, about innaccurate reporting, and about antisemitism, intentional or otherwise.
I suggest that anybody wanting to comment about us, please read all through all the forums thoroughly, visit the library and the favorite blogs list, study the Middle Eastern political and arts forums and human rights forums, and then form an opinion.
Thank you.
How’s tricks?
I can understand your anger at Richard. Masada2000 was one of your favorite sites to link to when you posted at democraticunderground (before you got kicked off that is).
I imagine it hurts to have a valuable resource like that taken down.
Valuable to kahanists and jdl wannabes that is.
Oh well, you’ll always have prosemiteundercover.
Haters welcome!!
Dickie complains about being the “victim” of bullying, but he is a lying fould mouthed fulltime smearster who defames every Jew who is not (like him) a pro-terror anti-Semite.
See http://www.richardsilversteins.blogspot.com
And most people who seem to agree with your point of view are right wing David Duke types or ultra left `Smash The Jewish State ` types.
If you hate us 95% of Jews, who support and identify strongly with the Jewish state and real Lefty Jews like Habonim Dror types,and not those hiding behind a `lefty Jewish` persona which actually has a Naturei Karta type of Philosophy ,loved by the extreme right wing and Leftwing as useful idiots,then leave our tribe please.
We surely will not miss you and ,those like you ,who despise us so ,will not miss us.
Thank you, Craig. Like your new picture. :-)
If you're logged into yr own Jewcy acct.Â
Richard Silverstein
Tikun Olam (blog)
You can edit your comments if they’re not posted anonymously, I believe. Craig, confirmation/infirmation?
Masada2000 is just using their fifth amendment rights
I take it you meant “First Amendment” unless you were inferring they had the right not to incriminate themselves (which the very content of their website does for them).
Yep, that was a typo on my part which I noticed as soon as the comment was posted. In hindsight, I should have pressed the preview button first and not posted anonymously. Unfortunately there is no edit feature (for good reasons probably) in the comments section on Jewcy.
That is not an excuse to gloss over my criticism of you that as a supposed liberal blogger you are acting fairly hypocritically in trying to silence the opinion of one of your opponents. And in doing so it is you who is engaging in the ‘cyber-bullying’.
I take it you meant "First Amendment" unless you were inferring they had the right not to incriminate themselves (which the very content of their website does for them).
In fact, you are one of the very few of perhaps 100 comments written on this subject at my blog who takes a pro-civil liberties/anti-hate perspective. Every other commenter using the free speech rationale is a rabid supporter of the site. I'm not saying yr perspective isn't legitimate. Just that it's rare.
That was imprecise of me. Such odious tactics are usually banned by web hosts terms of service. And they are gross invasions of privacy. Though they may not be illegal. But why should the standard only be whether something is illegal? Isn't privacy a worthy principle worthy defending? And why have you omitted issues I raised which are actual violations of law like copyright violation and indirect threats of violence against women?
Are you arguing that webhosts should not have be able to review content to determine whether it adheres to their policies? Look, if I want to post really odious content & don't want a webhost looking over my shoulder there are lots of ways to escape scrutiny. But to argue that a host shouldn't have the ability to monitor & suspend the bad eggs seems over the top.
Much as I'd like to satisfy yr curiousity or whatever it is, the Kahanists have become my camp followers reading much of what I write. I'd rather disappoint you than tell them stuff they might not already know. Masada2000's owner is obssessed with protecting his privacy and in this case it did his site in (until he figures out how to revive it). I can't say more here.
You neglect my statement that there are many extremist uber-Zionist sites on the web which express their opinions w/o managing to violate laws, people's privacy, or calling for violence against their opponents. I have no problem with that. You yourself admit that the content of the site is an "effusion of mental illness," which is very well-said. In this day and age, do we not realize that it is from precisely this sort of violent, aberrant personality that actual violence often derives? I don't want to throw the guy in a mental hospital. But I do want to make it as hard as possible for him to disseminate his fevered rantings.
Richard Silverstein
Tikun Olam (blog)
I’d been aware of Masada2000, having stumbled upon it a couple of years ago. It was an odious, semi-literate effusion of mental illness, repugnant to anyone with a shred of decency.
But your delight in its having been pulled is short-sighted. You say, “To the site’s supporters, I say please don’t talk to me about freedom of speech”. This is an interesting comment, since it suggests that only partisans of the site’s content would be concerned about the freedom of speech issue here.
Is your notion that publicizing email addresses is actionable a legally informed one? And hiding behind the “terms of service” argument avoids the deeper issue of how much control over content hosting services should permit themselves.
Finally, being coy about how the site was taken down won’t do. It is only by seeing the specifics that one can determine if he or she is on board with the action. Shall we take your word for it?
For someone who made such an eloquent (and correct) argument against Shin Bet’s preposterous “trust us, we know he did bad things but we can’t tell you the details” persecution of Azmi Bishara, I’m surprised to find you relying on a similar ploy here.
Hackneyed as it may sound, it is precisely the beliefs we find most noxious whose expression we must defend, as the ACLU lawyers who defended the Skokie nazis understood. A democrat must never take comfort in the official silencing of an opinion, no matter how deranged.
Sounds like Masada2000 is just using their fifth amendment rights, which you oppose. One would think that a liberal blogger such as yourself would support Masada2000′s right to criticize, however offensive you may find that criticism, which you term cyberbullying. I’m sure that plenty of your opponents would term your commentary the same way.
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