Lizzy the Lezzy Is The Funniest Lesbian on MySpace

Though funny, (I even laughed) I believe its one thing to be one with yourself in what makes you happy (sexually speaking), but promoting it through a medium where younger girls can view this is not right. The younger youth shouldn't have their minds made for them by idealizing some cartoon character that represents a target age group. I am not opposed to lesbians, however I am opposed to the younger generation getting the wrong message with an idealized cartoon character. Children will naturally want to become or envision themselves as that Superman, or Captain America. What will the next superhero be? Lizzy the Lezzy? Are you fucking serious?

Are YOU fucking serious? Children are not going to idolize or want to become Lizzy (no offense Lizzy and Ruth, you both rock) just from watching a few videos. And really, you have to already BE a lesbian in order to understand most of what Lizzy talks/jokes about.

Get over yourself Marc. And don't say that you aren't opposed to lesbians, because you clearly are, or else you wouldnt be worried about something that is so incredibly ridiculous in the first place.

-M

lizzy's videos are very much targeted to an adult audience. any "pre-teen girl" who is watching lizzy videos is either a) irresponsibly unsupervised or b) being naughty. i really doubt that pre-teen girls are watching this. i dont see what the problem is.

Anonymous replied:

Get over yourself Marc. And don't say that you aren't opposed to
lesbians, because you clearly are, or else you wouldnt be worried about
something that is so incredibly ridiculous in the first place.

First of all the idea of advertising this message to a younger generation is not a ridiculous idea, and something my lesbian friends agree with as well. Our youth should be able to come to terms with who they are when they are old enough to realize the gay and lesbian lifestyle, and that following such is no 'peachy walk in the park.'

Second, you get over yourself, would you show your 6,7,8,9,10 year old (etc), these videos? Children at Lizzy's age are not old enough to understand a lesbian lifestyle, and if you think they are I really want to get a hit off of what your smoking!

I knew this would be the general response, however I am not a lesbian and neither are millions of younger pre-teen girls, so why preach something to them that they are not ready for in life? They don't know if they are lesbians much less how sex works, why honor something that propagates this message through a medium such as Myspace, which users are composed of such a widespread young demographic. Sure I could enjoy the laughs of the Lizzy show, which exemplifies lesbians as being under-represented or acknowledged in a negative light. Maybe something to consider would be the age of the character, and how the information of the show is disseminated.

Would you appreciate as a Jew, Mormons every Sunday proselytizing at your front door? This would be the same if I let my 11 year old daughter watch the Lizzy the Lezzy show, it simply is not something geared for the younger youth, even though us adults could get a great laugh and even see and appreciate the diversity of the lesbian community.

 

Anonymous:

And really, you have to already BE a lesbian in order to understand most of what Lizzy talks/jokes about.

No I don't.

I have countless lesbian friends, all who I love very much. Most of all who I share coffee, lunch, and social events daily, weekly, and monthly with. You imply that somehow just because I do not agree with the tact in which Lizzy is being portrayed, that somehow, and in some way I must inherently be opposed to Lesbians.

I am not opposed to lesbians or gays, I respect both just as equally.

Would I opposed to my child being a lesbian? No, ultimately I would be shocked, however it would be the same if I told my mother I was gay! Inevitably, as compassionate people and parents we have to come to an acceptance, and I would graciously accept a lesbian girl or gay boy - after all they are my children, correct?

If you have ever watched Will & Grace, there is an amazing episode where Will's father (played by Sydney Pollack), comes out about his son being gay at his company party. I reflected deeply on this episode, wondering as a father if I would ever find myself in this situation.

Ultimately, I realized that ANYONE could find their selves in this situation as a parent, so acceptance and compassion is key. All I am implying with my point here, is that the young girls of today are diluted enough with the materialistic propaganda of Hollywood, the attitudes of Paris Hilton, and role models like Brittney Spears - in all honesty how much of this do you think is viewed by countless adolescent girls? It is my contention that most all of this is being watched and in some form internalized. By all means, right on Lizzy, your correct in your thesis of the under representation of lesbians in today's society, but the way in which you go about advertising this I can not respect.

i don't understand why you think i'm advertising to a pre-teen audience!?

whilst i accept that kids can be exposed to adult films on the net, if they are it's the fault of the parents. when i started out, i sent it to other "out" lesbians, who then forwarded it on to their lezzy, gay and straight mates, and so on. i know i am reaching an adult audience, as i intended, in fact i think i can safely say that NONE of my "friends" on myspace are pre-teen, i look at every page when people ask to add me. and as you quite rightly say, you wouldn't or shouldn't show lizzy to your 11 year old daughter, i doubt very much the myspacers are sending it to children either. i think you're worrying - oh so passionately - about nothing!

There are certainly much worse things a teen could find on the internet.

 And someone knocking on my door to share their religion, faith, vaccum, or windows is INTRUSIVE!

But how would a cartoon on the internet be the same?

 I dont think this is a childrens cartoon. No i wouldnt want my daughter of 10 seeing this. Or many other cartoons on the internet. But I supervisor her. And it has nothing to do with being  a "lesbian cartoon".

I am gay! And we are open. but i certainly wouldnt show her this. But i am a huge fan!

 And guess what , all you ingnorant , judgmental , head in the sand homophobic people..... cartoons dont turn people gay!

I had to post my reply too .

 But people like this are the reason I stand proud of who I am. Because I know the judgment in the world turns to hate so easily. And hate to death as we have seen so recently. RIP Larry King.

 people like this are why you vote. why you support your family and friends that are gay. This is why you need to watch Lizzy and laugh . And why you need to simply smile and wave at the lesbian couple in the coffee shop.

love needs to be spread. And education.

People like Mark dont understand. But maybe with time and our efforts someday a few more people will understand. 

 

I watch Lizzy on Alien Boot Camp!!!  I love love love her!!!

Thanks Ruth!   

I like these cartoons because she's a lesbian. And that's funny. I get it, she likes to lick pussy. Ha ha. Licking pussy. Whew.

What about young girls who already know they are lesbians, because it can be something you are born knowing, wouldn't it be nice for them to have a fictional character similar to themselves? I don't think it would be something that would influence them to become more of a lesbian.  It is hard for a lot of young girls to come to terms with their sexuality and accepting themselves, so wouldn't it be nice to give them something they can relate to, other than all the stereotypical straight teen shows.

I have not watched the show before, but I think the concept rocks and seeing that it is targeted to an adult audience one would think young girls wouldn't be watching this show anyway, but then again the younger audience shouldn't be watching a lot of shows that they do, it is inevitable, right?

Cartoons for children about being heterosexual abound. Some even show people being friends with, holding hands with, and KISSING opposite-gendered people. Children everywhere will have their minds made up for them! They will be taught to believe that they are heterosexual, only to break their nice, dutiful, Jewish spouses' hearts when they grow up to realize otherwise!

Where is your outrage, Marc? DEFEND OUR CHILDREN FROM PREMATURE HETEROSEXUALIZATION!

Was because of cartoons.  Now I find myself faced with a real conundrum.

Now what do I do?  Thanks  a lot fabulous Lizzy!

Like a lot of the programming on the Internets, she helped me pass the time, a bit ago.

Does that make me gay, straight or animated? 

Cavanaugh:

Cartoons for children about being heterosexual abound. Some even show people being friends with, holding hands with, and KISSING opposite-gendered people. Children everywhere will have their minds made up for them! They will be taught to believe that they are heterosexual, only to break their nice, dutiful, Jewish spouses' hearts when they grow up to realize otherwise!

Where is your outrage, Marc? DEFEND OUR CHILDREN FROM PREMATURE HETEROSEXUALIZATION!

 

 

The idea or notion that you speak of is pure sociological. People's ideas on concepts will be formulated, psychologically speaking based on their perspective environments, being everyone is raised in diametrically different arenas, I can rest assured that what your saying is only but half true.  

The idea of guarding children against premature heterosexualization is a great concept! When will this become a new topic??

All the best.

Lizzy the Lezzie is not being shown on Nickelodeon - relax people.  

The idea or notion that you speak of is pure sociological. People's
ideas on concepts will be formulated, psychologically speaking based on
their perspective environments, being everyone is raised in
diametrically different arenas, I can rest assured that what your
saying is only but half true.

Naftali, maybe you can help?

My best try at parsing this produces something hardly more comprehensible: I think you're saying what I said is only half-true because it is based on an understanding of society, and psychologically people are influenced by their socialization, but each person is raised in the opposite ("diametrically different") way (from what? from everyone else?). If you are communicating something that you want other people to understand, I hope you'll clarify. At any rate, since I was more than half joking, it's okay by me if what I said was only half true, so long we're on the same page about why it's only half true.

As for when premature heterosexualization will become a new topic, Marc, your multitudinous lesbian friends may talk about it already; it's called heteronormativity. The thing is that it doesn't actually make gay kids grow up straight the way many straight parents are afraid that a handful of gay pop culture references will somehow convert their kids to homos, so gay people tend to be less exercised about this particular class of effect. If a society full of heteronormativity, invisible precisely because there's so much of it, doesn't keep gay kids from growing up to be gay adults, accidental exposure to Ellen or Lizzy isn't going to confuse straight kids that much.

Unless of course their parents flip out about it and then refuse to explain what's going on in ways kids can understand. Ultimately, if your kid watches Lizzy the Lezzie, it's like if they get accidentally exposed to any other brand of adult-oriented humor before they're old enough to really get it. It calls on the parents to step in and, well, parent a little: Explain that it's supposed to be funny, but it's really only funny to grownups who have certain life experiences; ask if they have any questions, and do your best to answer the questions in an appropriate way. Then give them the WB or Disney cartoon du jour that you think best models what you'd rather be teaching them. (Racism, antisemitism, sexism, homophobia, and violence, in many cases, but so long as it's heteronormative, that's okay!) What tends to happen if you panic and snap the TV off and ban the cartoon without discussion is that most likely they'll internalize that "lesbians" are super-bad things that make parents fly off the handle. At a young age they'll be using that to mock other kids, and in their rebellious pre-teen phase they'll be using it to get a rise out of their parents. And if they do end up questioning their sexual identity as young adults, you'll be the last person they'll talk to about it.

If I've been unclear I welcome questions. It's important to me to write in ways that are understandable, and I'm not always the best at that myself.

Lizzy is a CARTOON people!! and I happen to know Ruth and she is a very decent funny smart human being :)

 

So lay off MARC. and oh yeah, get a life.

This is the first I've seen Lizzy and she's so adorable.  I see why Helen Jupiter is now confused.  

I love the conversation that this all started.  I just want to say that there is SOOOO much heterosexualization in the world it's a miracle my girlfriend's gay. Thank God for Lizzy.

Love,

Andrea 

Minerva is closed now, from what I understood, with no lesbian-centric bar cropping up in its place as of yet...