Let’s Have a Baptism/Bris

Surely if we love Jesus so much - why not just do what he did?

He had a circomsision when he was a baby -

If he got baptised - ? it would have been him going to the mikva - river when he was old enough to make disicions for himself 

point being - leave the baptisim till he's old enough to want to embrase Jesus - in the meantime let him be like Jesus was - circumsied! 

And what is more important in the world than raising a sensitive, feminist, gun-hating man?

 Oh, I don't know ... how about raising a son free to make up his own mind about those sorts of things instead of being a blank slate to be imprinted upon by his mother?

When you have a child you have the obligation to transmit your values on to the child.  Then when they grow up they can make up their mind.  Otherwise it's like not teaching anything and let the proginy grow wild with a complete blank mind.

I agree with Momma's boy that a child should be taught to make up his or her own mind.  He or she should be able to question and not simply parrot his or her parents' beliefs.  When I hear a child cheering for a political candidate, even if it's Obama, I feel uncomfortable.

 But, every parent has an obligation to teach love and respect. And being sensitive and loving women and hating guns are not values open for debate.

Andrea Askowitz 

Both  are ceremonies of entry into a covenent of sorts.

My understanding is that any Christian can actually perform a baptism, but I assume you would want someone to perform a bris who actually knows what they are doing.

My sense is anyone who has the training and professional credentials to be a mohel would not be party to such an arrangement.  It implies one can be both a Jew and a Christian.

This is like one of those newspaper columns where the journalist thinks that their domestic happenings are interesting to other people. They are not.

Lady youre insane i dont hate guns -does that make me a bad person or is that not open for a debate- do yourself a favor and take your bleeding heart back to whatever rock you crawled out from under.

 its funny how your "values" are never open for debate but let somebody dare be anti abortion or one of the many topics you would gladly kill for and youll grab that gun in a hurry

color-coordinated bugaboos were every mom's dream...

A person can be either a Jew or Christian but they can't be both.  Raising a child with two religions is damaging to their psyche.  A child also needs to have a mother and father.  That is why it takes a man and woman to create a baby.  Children don't need two mothers or two fathers they need a mother and father.

You should have gotten a pet if you needed a living thing to "mother."  How dare you mess up a child's life with yout selfish egotistical needs.   There is a diference between boys and girls.  It's biology, stupid!   You are a child abusing sicko!

I would never grab a gun, for any reason, except to defend my child. If you're going to make a comment, please have the courage to sign your name.

 Thanks,

Andrea Askowitz 

I don't know where you got that raising a child with two religions will make the child confused....I know many people who have adopted the best of all faiths.

It is also so narrow minded to think that a child needs a mother and a father and that is the only way possible.  So single moms or single dads can't raise good kids.  Also single people who adopt children are I guess damaging a child.  Well one child raised by a mother is now a Presidential candidate.  What takes....

All a child is need is LOVE.

ooooook...........so there are times where a gun is useful according to you?               You twist the world around to try and make it make sense according to your warped perspective.  I'm very openminded but your "values" are wack-  "sensitive feminist gun hating man"- is that the criteria for being an ethical person in your view? Becuse then all gay dudes are saints

In your eagerness to right the world of its perceived wrongs youre going to go way further then the mohel and castrate the poor kid

Let's break down all distinctions: masculine/feminine; greek/jew; baptism/bris: it's like being in graduate school again!  And as a result everything is the same; everything is neutral.  But in the process identity--as shaped by a specific set of traditions--is lost.  I don't find religion so freaky, but this attempt at pareve neutrality, and the desire to occupy that position of neutrality, well, I guess I do find that a little bit freaky. Oh, one more thing Andrea: Mazel Tov!

--www.openmindedtorah.blogspot.com.

"Momma's boy" was the subject of the comment, not the author. I'm definitely no momma's boy.

These values are non-negotiable to you, but guess what? Your input into your son's values doesn't come with a veto. Your son is an individual, not a repository of his parents opinions and values. What he absorbs, he will do so on his own terms, and what he rejects will similarly come on his own terms. If you press too hard, you're merely liable to to push your son into assuming a contrary position, if only to separate his own identity from that of his mother in order to further his attempt to develop a masculine identity (pace Sigmund Freud).

The bris is performed in front of family and friends, but it's not performed publicly.

A designated honoree holds the baby on his lap (I guess I should say his/her, right?).

The mohel does the cutting and bandages up the bambino. It's not like everyone's crowded around, watching. They usually maintain a respectful distance.

The baby is then whisked away to his mother(s) and the mohel instructs her/them on caring for the wound and diapering and so on and so forth.

Everyone else is already chowing down on bagels and lox by then.

I think you should schedule the baptism for another time. Perhaps invite the Jewish family members to the bris and the christian ones to the baptism?