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Circumcised Guys Do it Better |
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| Why the foreskin is not my friend | ||
by Rachel Kramer Bussel, April 1, 2008 |
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How does yours stack up?: Just a little off the top, please Does circumcision damage a guy's sensitivity? According to a study in yesterday's Los Angeles Times, the answer is no. For the study, 4,500 sexually active Ugandan men gave up their foreskins in the name of science. After two years, the men reported that their rate of sexual satisfaction hadn't changed.
Personally, I think this is great news -- I love circumcised dicks. I didn't realize this until last year, when I finally encountered a foreskin in the wilderness. Up until then, I thought uncut cocks were pretty much a fairy tale, something I had to Google for evidence that they actually existed. (I realize this is a distinctly American phenomenon; if I lived in Europe, I might very well have the opposite situation.) When I found that they are alive and well and even attached to hot guys, I realized that I'm not just inclined towards penises sans foreskin, I also actively dislike uncut ones.
And it has nothing to do with Judaism. Uncut cocks don’t look sexual or arousing to me. Rather, they make me want to pat them like a dog and tuck them back where they came from. This preference, which is much more definite than my feelings on the subject of height, hair
color, religion or race, makes me feel quite shallow, but it's unstoppable.
If I had one of each kind in front of me to do a real side-by-side comparison, I could perhaps give a more thoughtful critique, but instead you'll have to trust me. Which you should, since I’ve seen more than my fair share of penises. Only a small fraction of them were Jewish cocks, but all of them, as far as I can recall, had been cut.
Until last summer, when I found myself in the apartment of a man I’d been flirting with over email. Suddenly there it was, and I was faced with a dilemma I haven’t felt since I was a teenager: What to do? It seemed like a foreign creature, one that had only a vague resemblance to the organ I’d come to know and lust after.
Uncut cocks might be natural, but they seem like the very opposite to me. The foreskin gets in the way. It's a pesky interference between me and what I really want. And it brings up every insecurity I have about sex.
For Skins: And for foreskins I learned about sex -- at least, heterosexual sex -- from
circumcised men. Give me a cut prick and I know what to do with it; I may not be the
best a guy’s ever had, but I won’t be the worst. I know how to give a
hand job or a blow job, and I like both those things. But the foreskin
adds not only a literal extra layer, but a figurative one as well. I've been with two uncircumcised men now, and both times -- even though we had a good time together and got each other off (though didn’t actually have intercourse) -- I felt like a timid teenager. I felt like I needed Dr. Ruth leaning over my shoulder, showing me just where to stroke and pull. This kind of killed the mood.
I spent New Year’s in London with a British man who I’d met while he was visiting the States. Our initial hotel room trysts had been fast and furious, so I hadn’t truly had time to ponder what his cock looked like. When I found out, I was shaken up. Could I be attracted to the man, but not the penis? You can’t tell a man something like that. It’s like saying, “You’re too short, grow up already,” or that you wish he had heavy-metal band style long hair when he’s completely bald.
I’m not a man and am never going to be one, so I can’t speak to the experience of having a penis, but I can speak as someone who enjoys the sexual pleasures they can offer her. Being aroused by a lover happens not just when you’re together, but when you’re not. If the sex is good, it leaves you wanting more. It leaves you cooking up naughty scenes in your head. When you masturbate, he's right there with you, the memory of his body so vivid it’s almost like the real thing, at least for me. If a guy’s cock turns me off, I won't spend my free time fantasizing about it, even if the man himself makes me melt. It’s tough when I want to kiss every part of him but his penis.
And yet I wouldn't reject a man simply based on the status of his foreskin. Recently I met a cute guy in an airport and wound up giving him a handjob under my coat. Because of the conspicuous nature of our surroundings, I never got to see his cock. He was from Costa Rica; I don’t know what the standard is there, but either way, I got him off. Maybe that's the solution -- if I wind up with a guy who’s uncut, I should just keep the lights off.
Counterpoint: In defense of foreskins
Rachel76
shar peis....
yeah I'm kind of with ya on this one....I've only seen pictures of uncircumsised ones, and as far as I'm concerned, Charlotte in "Sex and the City" was right when she said..."it had so much extra skin, it looked like a shar pei!" And, "I don't need one that can make it's own carrying case!"
Phantom
Slutty women, gotta luv'em
Email me the next time you're at LAX!
sharonmgg
Uhhh...
Giving handjobs to strangers at the airport? That doesn't sound very safe. You should take a bit better care of yourself, honey.
MikeDKike
Subjective much?
So what you're saying is, you don't like foreskins, because you don't like foreskins. They seem weird and foreign and unsexy to you. But how can the reader generalize that to his or her experience, or to the topic in general? How is this an exposition? It's not. It's an opinion. And an opportunity for Jewcy to showcase a writer who isn't afraid to say things like cock and pussy. Still, seems kinda flimsy. Why not add something to the debate, Rache?
Rachel Kramer Bussel
opinions
Of course it's an opinion - that's why it's an opinion piece. Personally, I think the whole most girls are bad at handjobs sentiment (see the rebuttal) is also an opinion. The point wasn't to add to the numerous debates about the health, religious, etc. aspects, but to simply state a preference from a sexual point of view.
David Kelsey
um...
If I had one of each kind in front of me to do a real side-by-side
comparison, I could perhaps give a more thoughtful critique, but
instead you'll have to trust me. Which you should, since I’ve seen more
than my fair share of penises. Only a small fraction of them were
Jewish cocks, but all of them, as far as I can recall, had been cut.
Then why the hell should we trust you? You don't know the second half of the equation. You don't know what you are talking about. You are comparing LA to San Franciso when you live in LA, never ever go to San Francisco, don't really know what's over there at all, don't even bother to read up on San Francisco, so shouldn't you be quiet on the comparison since you know not what you speak of?
"I felt like a timid teenager."
Exactly. Should have trustede your own intuition and stuck to opining about that which you know in the Biblical sense.
jewlicious
Dick Cheese
Oh Kelsey, even though I would never handle a man's cock unless I was in the process of assaulting him, I don't need to have it in my mouth or up my ass to know one thing you never have to worry about with the uncircumcised variety:
Smegma.
End of the story.
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Phantom
It's Called a Shower
You know what else you can do to avoid the cheese? It's called showering every day.
jewlicious
And you know what else?
Another thing you can do is get circumcised. Once. When you're 8 days old and following the traditions of your people by entering into a covenant with God. This is a silly argument anyway. Kelsey and his ilk are really more concerned about irrational fundamentalists and their non-thinking followers imposing what amounts to, in their perception, ritual genital mutilation upon an unsuspecting and non-consenting child. From the perspective of practicing and even semi-practicing Jews, this is just something we do, something that marks and defines us as Jews. And just like all the studies in the world that show a correlation between higher incidences of things like HIV and prostate Cancer and foreskins will never convince those in the anti-circumcision camp to change their minds, so too will no appeal to reason change the minds of those who want a smooth, lovable dick because they believe tha's what God wants. So let's just move on then shall we?
Oh and one more thing...
Smegma!
Ewww.
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Anonymous
Self respect isn't a dirty concept
If this is Jewcy's way of generating a 200 comment post, it's very lame.
Hand jobs for strangers in airports says more about your emotional issues than it does about your cock preferences. If you're not in therapy already, (i'd be shocked if you weren't ) I really urge you to deal with this with a professional . I'm all for a healthy and fulfilling sex life with a cut or uncut partner. Making yourself available to any shmoe on the street? Notsomuch. At least if you got paid it might be worth your time.
David Kelsey
Basic human rights
Kelsey and his ilk are really more concerned about irrational
fundamentalists and their non-thinking followers imposing what amounts
to, in their perception, ritual genital mutilation upon an unsuspecting
and non-consenting child.
That's right, Jewlicious...we worry about adults slicing off healthy and useful body parts of children. You know why we worry about such things? Because we are crazy. Stark raving mad. In our minds, this violates basic, basic human rights. And let me guess...do you support the cutting off of healthy body parts of children not required by Judaism? I am guessing you don't -- which shows how crazy you are as well!
"And just like all the studies in the world that show a correlation
between higher incidences of things like...prostate Cancer"
Prostate cancer? Oh, for Christ's sake, now circ prevents...prostate cancer? HAHAHA...you don't know and you don't give a fuck, so why don't you just shut up about the "health benefits" of MGM?
Ashmodai
Time to trot out the old joke once more
Whenever the topic of "circumcision: pro or con" comes up, I simply tell people that my bris wasn't the least bit traumatic, apart from not being able to walk or talk for a year.
Ismail
"Another thing you can do
"Another thing you can do [to promote penile hygiene] is get circumcised."
And you can avoid cleaning your ears by lopping them off, too, Jewlicious. But then how would you keep your glasses from slipping off your face?
Don't get me wrong. I'm proudly clipped myself and so naturally I believe that no choad can be handsome hiding inside that silly shroud. This has less to do with Allah's preferences (as captivating as I find my own schlong, I can't imagine that the Deity has so little to do that He'd pay a whole lot of attention to Little Ismail's attributes) than with my own narcissism.
So cutting's fine by me, but not because it relieves one from the burdens of personal care.
Phantom
Comic Relief
"And just like all the studies in the world that show a correlation
between higher incidences of things like...prostate Cancer"
I heard circumcision is also correlated with lower incidents of amputation from lumberjacking accidents and getting run over by trucks near truck stops. But I also heard that it is associated with higher rates of dying from suicide bombing incidents.
jewlicious
Ha ha ha ha
Oh my God it is so EASY to instigate the Ritual Genital Mutilation crowd! Guys. Relax. You too Ismail. This is a game I play with my buddy Kelsey and he always falls for it. The point is no amount of research or opinion is going to change the minds of those who cleave to tradition. And no appeal to the maintenance of tradition, perceived aesthetics, research or whatever is going to change the minds of the RGM crowd. So no sense debating this thing. Rachel likes uncircumcised dicks. That corresponds really well with my set of ideological beliefs so I'm going to agree with her. It doesn't correspond with Kelsey's so he's going to go ape shit no matter what she or anyone else says.
Also it's a known fact that people with cut knobs get more tail and are handsomer than those who are not circumcised. Like the French. I would never want my son to grow up ugly and bereft of poon tang, wiling away his time in Cafés smoking Gitanes and discussing philosophy. Thus it is my obligation as a responsible parent and as a humanitarian to insist on circumcision for him and for all of mankind.
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Marla Patinkin
Wow... Airports. Who
Wow... Airports. Who knew? I'm too busy taking off my shoes, jacket, belt, then putting back on my shoes, jacket, belt. Then finding Starbucks on the other side of security, where liquids are again flowing freely... A little too freely. Then getting to the gate to find the plane is delayed, then buying three magazines, which I'd never indulge in otherwise. Then getting more Starbucks, then reading the mags.... while all these people are fucking in bathrooms and getting hand jobs throughout the "Fucking Airport". Damm. I'm so naive. Fucking airport.
Ashmodai
The "Mile Long" club?
Marla -- Good point, but I doubt the security grunts are on the lookout for people having sex. Which I guess is why people like Rachel Bussel are able to get away with it. Sex ≠ Terrorism, fundie influence in the U.S. government notwithstanding.
Anonymous
@ Kelsey He said there's
@ Kelsey
He said there's a correlation, not that it prevents it. Which is true.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14853120?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3471995?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8761387?dopt=Abstract
David Kelsey
did you really...
just quote a journal from 1951 to prove the advantage of circ? Did this just happen?
jewlicious
Come on Kelsey...
In 1951, Linus Pauling, Robert Corey, and Herman Branson published their findings of the α-helix and the β-sheet. But it was in friggin 1951! Let's toss that one out too. Did you just discount a scientific study by mere dint of its date? Did this just happen? That's not very scientifical of you now is it?
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Phantom
Yes, and as I pointed out,
Yes, and as I pointed out, albeit sarcastically and might I add in a very humorous way, there's a correlation between being circumcised and getting blown up by a terrorist.
Phantom
Cancer shmancer
Many arguments in favor of circumcision derived from a study by Adolf Apt, who in 1965 compared rates of prostate cancer in Sweden (where men are not circumcised) to those in Israel (where men are). The incidence of prostate cancer was higher in Sweden, so it seemed that lack of circumcision was the cause. But Apt overlooked the age differences in the two countries. Prostate cancer is a disease of older men - and there are seven times as many men over age 60 in Sweden as in Israel. Once the age difference is adjusted, Apt's data suggest that rates of prostate cancer are higher in the circumcised population.
And might I add that the longer life span of Swedish men versus Israeli men also suggests that circumcised men die younger than uncircumcised men. Take heed all you Jewish moms. Do you want to "cut" your little boy's life short? If not, then leave his juj alone and send him to Sweden instead.
Ashmodai
Health benefits aren't the issue anyway...
..any more than they are with kashrut (dietary laws). It's like when people, both Jewish and non-Jewish, claim that the rationale for not eating pork is that pigs carry trichinosis. This theory has long been discredited because (a) in biblical times people didn't know what caused any disease, let alone trichinosis; and (b) even if one holds with the Orthodox that God made the law, it doesn't explain why God didn't also prohibit ground beef, which can carry E. coli, or poultry which can cause salmonella--or why God didn't just get around the whole thing by letting us eat whatever we want provided we cook it until the juices run clear. :-)
What it comes down to is, if you're already inclined to follow a particular law (circumcision, kashrut or whatever), whether out of conviction, pleasing your family, or just not wanting to "break the chain," you're going to do it. And if you're not inclined to follow it, whether for ideological reasons or simple apathy, you're not going to do it. As Jewlicious has said twice, neither side is going to convince the other.
Phantom
I'm not trying to convince
I'm not trying to convince anyone, I'm just saying that if you are circumcised, it means your mom doesn't love you, because she let you die young. That's all!
jewlicious
And I'm just saying that if
And I'm just saying that if you are Jewish and oppose circumcision, you clearly hate the Jews and God will smite you with cancer of the penis.
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SnippedAt21
Turn off the Light next time
It won't help you hide the shame (you should have, in theory) from writing something of this poor quality, not to mention superfluous (hardly offensive or surprising or particularly, er, stimulating) subject matter. Seriously, Rachel. You're neither original, nor humorous, nor are you doing any honors to your sex (or your ex) by expounding upon your experiences with strangers or your fellatio acumen. I'm sure the fine people at Jewcy picked you for your writing skills, not "oral arguments." Let's see that at work, not your tritely exposed private life. Don't you know that "behind closed doors" is the new "sexy?"
Alas, since we're on this subject, I feel inclined to make a contribution, since I have had the unique experience of sex before and after circumcision (at 21). The reaction of a non-American girl to a non-snipped guy is equivocal, while that of an American girl is wildly different. You are right in that the "uncut" edit never flies here.
Which is better? It's hard to say, but overall, I think it all depends on the partner, not the instrument of justice at play.
Well, Rachel - instead of ridiculing you any more than the rest of the posters - I sincerely wish you to find your bashert and start a family. It may be much better than any therapist as a solution to your current need for a search.
sharonmgg
SnippedAt21
"Well, Rachel - instead of ridiculing you any more than the rest of the
posters - I sincerely wish you to find your bashert and start a family.
It may be much better than any therapist as a solution to your current
need for a search."
Personally, I don't know if Rachel has a problem or not - I'm not an expert on anyone else's life. I previously expressed my dismay that she had engaged in sexual activity with someone who appears to have been completely unknown to her. I, along with most women, have too many friends who have been raped/abused to ignore the fact that a woman has to be aware of her personal security (and health), when getting intimate with a man. And yes, I know tha's a blanket statement, but it's true.
However, SnippedAt21, the solution to a woman's problems (if they even are problems) is not always getting married. Rachel, can, and should, take care of herself. And I say this as a married woman.
Phantom
Judgy Aren't We
Don't judge the author. She's keepin it real. Rachel, don't listen to these yentas. You flog that dolphin whenever you want, that's what it's for!
Incidentally though, going back to the whole circumcision issue, the reason why circumsion caught on in America is because it was a way of trying to prevent boys from masturbating. Obviously, circumcision doesn't go far enough to stop that behavior, you gotta cut it at the root to eliminate that behavior!
alex
so fashionable
I know it is so fashionable to insult male anatomy, but it's unfair. Would anyone think to publish the female equivalent? Say, how big vayjayjays are gross and require the lights being turned down low? No. Because it's mean and useless.
Phantom
Leggo my labia!
But they are gross, that's why so many women get labial reductions these days. In case you're wondering what that is, here's a Dr. Pousti (I'm going to assume it's pronounced Pussty simply for my own amusement) who performs them:
http://www.poustiplasticsurgery.com/Procedures/Procedure_LabialReduction.htm
bbomber
different strokes for different folks.
i think the moral of the story is if you don't like it, don't put it in your mouth. i'm sure, Rachel, if you are able to just pass out hand jobs in airports, that you are a pretty ballsy, non-traditional lady. so why don't you just ask a guy if he's cut or not BEFORE you shove your hand down his pants? i mean, just think, if you would have thought about doing something remotely as logical as that, then you would have never had to write this "article" and waste the past 2 mins of my life.
just a suggestion.
Anonymous
Maimonides says...
"Similarly with regard to circumcision, one of the reasons for it is, in my opinion, the wish to bring about a decrease in sexual intercourse and a weakening of the organ in question, so that this activity be diminished and the organ be in as quiet a state as possible. It has been thought that circumcision perfects what is defective congenitally. This gave the possibility to everyone to raise an objection and to say: How can natural things be defective so that they need to be perfected from outside, all the more because we know how useful the foreskin is for that member? In fact this commandment has not been prescribed with a view to perfecting what is defective congenitally, but to perfecting what is defective morally. The bodily pain caused to that member is the real purpose of circumcision. None of the activities necessary for the preservation of the individual is harmed thereby, nor is procreation rendered impossible, but violent concupiscence and lust that goes beyond what is needed are diminished. The fact that circumcision weakens the faculty of sexual excitement and sometimes perhaps diminishes the pleasure is indubitable. For if at birth this member has been made to bleed and has had its covering taken away from it, it must indubitably be weakened. The Sages, may their memory be blessed, have explicitly stated: It is hard for a woman with whom an uncircumcised man has had sexual intercourse to separate from him. In my opinion this is the strongest of the reasons for circumcision." (Guide of the Perplexed)
Just sayin'...
JewcyCraig
Really?
Jon Swift
I hate being cut & I will until i die
If it had been your clit they cut off without your consent, Rachel, the picture might look different.
Frankly
Agreed, but...
She'd still find an excuse to be a slut and say she's more vaginal anyway and since all the black jew stallions wanna do is fuck she's in paradise.
Tegenhuid
Circumcision should be
Circumcision should be mandatory for both Jews and non-Jews.
Hal 84
Good to see your endorsement
Good to see your endorsement of circumcision. I was not circumcised until age 42 but did wear the foreskin retracted ever since about age 12, largely for appearance sake, but it was also cleaner and more practical. I believe with some effort and subterfuge of using "o" rings or wraps many men could achieve this. To a great extent once I found what that glans in under the foreskin was for and could result in I wanted it always visible, exposed! Part of the reason for having the circ was to reduce the unsexiness of a foreplay or hand job habit of my wifes which consisted in pulling the foreskin over the gland- to me this is unsexy! After the circumcision I noticed better stimulation of the corona in all sexual action: vaginal, hand, etc. The foreskin otherwise used to insulated the corona from getting good stroking and a folding of its edge. I only occassionally use any lube: it is not "necessary" for the circumcised to use lube. It is of course interesting when either my own lube occurs (or my wifes- and then the sensations improve further. As the very definite oversensitivity of the glans at first exposures moderates by exposure to air as is also true of circumcision- the penis becomes much better suited to the job of penetration and/or the rigor of masturbation. When I had the foreskin it would occassionally get irritated and swollen from extended masturbation sessions. My circ leaves some available skin that could be used for the back and forth over the glans masturbating that is done by the intact. I find that I very much prefer direct finger and thumb contact back and forth past the coronal edge with plenty of contact in the sulcus valley which formerly was occupied by the pushed back foreskin. When I first surfed the web I saw a lot of anti circ stuff. I even looked at the "restoration" sites. As my circ was a bit loose, and as I have lost some of the original penile length to old age and to having had a prostatectomy for prostate cancer (takes about an inch away), I can "restore" coverage by moving the skin forward when flaccid. In a way, this "looks cute"" for a change but it is not what I want to see or grab down there. "It's just not me!" I actually went about 100 days with the glans covered. After about 10 days a shinyness was apparent and perhaps a pinker color. There was some added sensitivity- but nearly of a "touch that carefully" type! One very noticeable thing was that there was a definitely noticeable odor even with multiple washings daily. I terminated that experiment and am back to enjoying the look, the great sensations of a penis with an exposed glans. BTW if t you count the "skin back" years the total years exposure has been about 72 years- and the sensitivity remains fine and is always something to look forward to enjoying!
Hal 84
I experimentally "restored"
I experimentally "restored" for 100 days after near 70 years of going skinned back (and after age 42 -circed).
After a few days of covering the glans most of the day, I acquired an odor. I could not free myself from having some trace of this odor by washing it more than once a day. The last drops of urine and the containerization in the folds of foreskin to glans marinates the odor in.
Generally the reason this is tolerable is the same reason female genital odor is tolerated (or actually enjoyed if not rancid from time and lack of washing or air circulation.
It is much less of an odor problem for the circumcised and post sex cleanup is simpler.
There are some diseases that get perpetuated through several cycles by the added recontanimation that occurs when the man has a foreskin.
This is slightly less problem if the foreskin is worn always retracted.
Anonymous
Rachel's commentary
I quite agree with Rachel. The women I have known sexually come to expect a circumcised penis and they pay me compliments about my bare knob. Oral sex is never a problem since there are never any offensive smells and my guess is that a foreskin would only get in the way. It might be better for a hand jobs, but I prefer regular intercourse anyway. Look, if you aren't cut and like it that's fine, but it sure has worked well for me. Aesthetically, a streamlined tool seems to be a woman's delight!
Anonymous
I share your sentiments
Your comment really hit home. I was circ'd at forty two and found the transformation just as wonderful as you did. Sexual satisfaction was improved. Stroking my penis gave me much more intense orgasms as the shaft skin was tighter and more sensitive! I now shoot a few inches of semen in a stream whereas before it just oozed a pathetic dribble. No more swelling of the foreskin from prolonged play. My staying power was much improved also. Getting rid of that ugly foul flap was the best thing I've ever done for my self esteem and pleasure. Again, enjoyed your personal experiences very much!
Cut.Aussie
Circumcised at 49, why did I wait so long
I have just stumbled across this discussion while searching for something else but just have to make a comment.
Growing up in the UK in the 1950's I was left uncut even though my mother said she tried to have me circumcised when I was born. When I was around 9 or 10 a close playmate was circumcised and I really liked how much better his penis looked and started wearing my foreskin retracted to pretend I was also cut like him, I found I liked having the Glans exposed and the dry clean feeling that went with it.
At high school we had communal showers after sport and it was hear that I got the chance to see several other boys who had also been circumcised and in all cases I thought they looked superior to the uncut boys.
Then when I was 20 I dated a girl who knew quite a bit about circumcision having witnessed her younger brother be cut then I moved out to live in Australia where I was surprised to see that around 90% of all guys my age were circumcised and that many Aussie girls had never seen a foreskin before mine, which came as a bit of a shock to a couple of them!
While I continued to think about circumcision it somehow kept getting put on the back burner until 5 years ago when approaching my 50th birthday I decided it was time to do something about it and was circumcised a few weeks before my 50th.
What can I say but wow, it was everything I had hoped for, my now circumcised cock looks and feels great and sex in all forms is fantastic with a useless foreskin, I would recommend it to anyone, just don't wait as long as I did to get it done.
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