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Assimilation and its Discontents

During the last two years writing my first book, Other People’s Property: A Shadow History of Hip-Hop in White America, I’ve found that, over the past three decades, white people have used hip-hop as a safe, virtual space to tackle … Read More

By / July 17, 2007

During the last two years writing my first book, Other People’s Property: A Shadow History of Hip-Hop in White America, I’ve found that, over the past three decades, white people have used hip-hop as a safe, virtual space to tackle or elude the complicated legacy (and present) of race in our country. Every time we buy a Ying-Yang Twins CD or bust a backspin or attempt to use Ebonics, we are telling ourselves a story—about America, about race, and about ourselves. So what story are Jews, specifically, telling ourselves? What draws so many of us to keep it (Is)real? (Full disclosure: that joke was stolen from respected Jewish hip-hop blogger Dan Charnas. See? We're everywhere!) My fascination with hip-hop has always intrigued and amused my third-generation Italian wife, Denise, who grew up in the more ethnically explicit suburbs of Long Island and always wondered what could possibly link my laid-back, West Coast, manicured-lawn childhood with the drive-by ghettoes of Compton.

But after that fascination impacted the trajectory of our lives—the book deal led me to leave work to sit in my pajamas and play "Criminal Minded" over and over again—she felt it was time to get to the bottom of it. Not long ago, we sat down for a conversation, one in which my beloved wife called me a wimp with an attraction for black men: Denise: OK, honey, don't get me wrong. I love hip-hop, too. My paisans were breakdancing back in elementary school, and referring to themselves as "posses," and all that nonsense. But you Jews take it to another level. I understand the fascination with Chinese food, but come on: What is the freaking deal with Jews and hip-hop? Jason: Well, I think the answer is obvious. Denise: So do I. Jason: Hip-hop is the music of struggle, and we, because of our history of oppression, are naturally drawn to narratives of resistance and civil rights. Denise: Oh, that’s funny. I was going to say, “because you’re all who need to identify with big, tough black guys in order to feel less insecure.” Jason: (silence) Denise: You go first.
Jason: Let’s start with history. Jews have always held a unique tie to black music, from Al Jolson to the Chess brothers — whose label launched Muddy Waters and Bo Diddley—to the great blues songwriters Leiber and Stoller. I’m pulling this from John Leland’s “Hip: The History,” in which he writes: “Barred from the high avenues of culture and finance, which looked askance at ethnicity, the two groups [i.e., blacks and Jews] established black culture as an engine of identity and profit, and the civil rights movement as the nation’s moral conscience.” Denise: "Profit," indeed. Weren't Jews responsible for many of those exploitative recording deals that left those black innovators with nothing? Jason: Guilty as charged. But I think, from the perspective of Jewish rap fans, emotional history may be even more important than economic or cultural history. I remember learning about the Holocaust as a Reform Jew growing up in the not-very-Jewish city of Tacoma, Washington. It was extremely difficult to reconcile such severe, pure suffering with the relatively assimilated and secularized life I was living. I went to Hebrew school and had a bar mitzvah, but if you’d asked, I would have identified myself as “white” rather than “Jewish.” My greatest spiritual quandary was how many colleges I should apply to. I knew that Jews had a history of being oppressed and despised, but I sure didn’t feel it, and that made me feel separated from, forgive the expression, “my people,” and also left me with the impression that I was living a sheltered, gilded life. Denise: Is this what led so many of your fellow Tacomans to become more serious about their Judaism? Jason: I haven't asked them about this specifically, but I'd imagine so. As you know, a couple of my close family friends—some of the laxest Reform Jews I've ever met—grew up to make their religion a central organizing principle of their lives. I don't think it's a coincidence that one of them became much more invested in his religion after studying with Elie Wiesel at Boston University. How can you not feel disgustingly coddled and inauthentic after a couple of conversations with that cat?
I never studied with Wiesel. Instead, I found Public Enemy. You have to remember, this was the late 1980s, and hip-hop sounded much more dangerous and angry than it does today. Nobody represented that like Public Enemy, who rapped about prison breaks and shutting down corporations like Nike if they didn’t invest more of their profits in the black community. Meanwhile, hardcore groups like N.W.A. presented a horrorscape of urban neglect that (I thought) sounded like the kind of fate the Jews might have faced if we hadn’t been so good at assimilating. Denise: But that's what assimilation is for! So you don't have to live through something like that! Don't you think it's a bit patronizing to go chasing after mass-marketed reproductions of the very crime and poverty your ancestors proudly escaped? Jason: Patronizing? Sure. But that's another classic element of the way that Jewish guilt intersects with race. Think back to the 1960s, when Jews helped to lead the Civil Rights movement, then were shocked when they felt they were met with widespread anti-Semitism. As a friend of mine once put it, it wasn't the assistance that pissed people off, but the paternalistic, we-know-best way in which it was delivered.

Denise: But anti-Semitism still exists, even thrives. Why couldn't that motivate you? Jason: I knew in an abstract way that there were still anti-Semites out there, but I couldn’t imagine what it was like to live through the Holocaust, or to be the recipient of such direct, virulent hatred. Listening to rap, I thought, helped me identify with a despised and angry people. In a weird way, it helped me to feel more Jewish. Denise: Isn't that what Sunday school is for? Jason: Yeah, well, it didn't work. All I got there was "never again." And yet there was race-based suffering and violence breaking out all around us. But because it was happening to black people and not to Jews, it wasn't seen as our moral responsibility. Instead, we got all hot and bothered about the nativity scene the fundies wanted to erect in front of town hall. Denise: You know what I think of when you talk about how pure and angry hip-hop used to be? I think about that scene in Annie Hall where Alvy and his wife are at a cocktail party, and he churlishly runs off to a bedroom to watch the Knicks. When his wife asks him just what the hell he’s doing, he says, “It’s physical. It’s one thing about intellectuals; they prove that you can be absolutely brilliant and have no idea of what’s going on.” Jason: Maybe he’s right.
Denise: Maybe, but he’s also equating blackness with anti-intellectualism, physicality, and a weird kind of “purity.” I’d suggest that’s at least a tiny bit racist. There’s a long history of that, too, going back to Norman “Also Jewish” Mailer’s famous “White Negro” essay. Ahem: “[T]he Negro (all exceptions admitted) could rarely afford the sophisticated inhibitions of civilization, and so he kept for his survival the art of the primitive, he lived in the enormous present, he subsisted for his Saturday night kicks, relinquishing the pleasures of the mind for the more obligatory pleasures of the body,” and so on and so on. Jason: Reading that, it's no surprise that Mailer was an in-your-face macho brawler who once stabbed his wife. Denise: Right! There's that whole, weird "tough Jew" thing. That Philip Roth, Meyer Lansky, Saul Bellow deal. Buffed-up bald guys with lots of back hair taking a shvitz. Getting ringside tickets to the Ali fight. Where does that come from? Jason: I think that's the way some folks react to operating around the margins of society. You get those same stereotypes in the Irish community as well, right? Shit, some of your Sicilian relatives are like that. Denise: But you're not one of those guys. You're a wimp. Jason: Right. Well, I never operated around the margins of society. I'm no Leon Trotsky. I'm more like the rabbi in the old joke who is asked when life begins. The priest says "At the moment of conception" and the rabbi says "When the kid graduates from medical school." Education and access to a bourgeois lifestyle were always assumed. I was raised to think that I was inheriting this mantle of outsider-ness, but nothing has ever been off-limits to me. Indeed, I've always expected that I'd be able to do pretty much whatever I've wanted. I never had to scream to be heard. I never had to prove my manhood in that way.
Denise: So instead of being a tough guy, you surround yourself with this music that's filled with violence and profanity and rough sex. It's this way of unleashing your dirty-Jewish-boy id without upsetting your nice-Jewish-boy superego. Jason: Hmm. I think it's relevant that some of the most hardcore music out there was published by Jews. Jerry Heller managed NWA, and Rick Rubin reportedly championed Public Enemy despite Russell Simmons's disinterest. Denise: Are you equating NWA's ultraviolence with Public Enemy's politics? Jason: Well, from the standpoint of a Jew looking for some direct, physical, emotionally relevant conflict, there may not be much of a difference. Look, you're right, I feel like a weenie, but it's not just because I read a lot and have no jump shot and weigh 140 pounds soaking wet. I feel like a weenie because I also have no barriers to fight against. Hip-hop provides me with both: an outlet for my repressed id, and also a cause that I can align myself with. Denise: I'm not sure that, psychologically speaking, those aren't fundamentally the same thing. Jason: No, me neither.

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  • Justin Otten

    Are we white ? Lets think about that statement. Are African Americans Black ? Answer, No we are all mixed. We are all mixed with the whites. In Israel there are still some Arab looking Jews there, I have very dark skin myself at certain times of the year.

    My point is that we do infact have lots of things in common with the blacks.

    We are all mixed in America that kinda the point right.

  • Blair

    I know I'm late to the thread, but, there were so many words in this post and yet so many of them just looked like "assimilation" over and over.

    The dialogue between the author and his wife is reads like everything the anti intermarraige-ists caution against.  Here is a Jew writing about needing to feel tougher, specifically how he feels he needs a non-Jewish influence to feel tougher while his Gentile wife baits him with sweet nothings like, "There's that whole, weird "tough Jew" thing. That Philip Roth, Meyer
    Lansky, Saul Bellow deal. Buffed-up bald guys with lots of back hair
    taking a shvitz. Getting ringside tickets to the Ali fight. Where does
    that come from?"  The later Woody Allen reference really puts it over the top.  

    It seems unlikely the author will become more at home with his Jewish identity, specifically whether or not being Jewish makes one inherently less tough (as the article suggests) while he has his not-Jewish wife to throw these You-people-but-I'm-allowed-to-say-it-like-an-in-joke-because-I-married-one charmers.

     for shanda

     As someone said earlier, (all) people like hip-hop for a variety of
    reasons.  Not the least of which is that it has a great beat and is fun
    to dance to.  It has NEVER made me think of the Holocaust.

  • Anonymous

    challah

  • Anonymous

    Has anyone considered that Jews listen to hip-hop because we have good musical tastes?

  • DG89

    First off, watch a movie Havoc. That’ll be enough. Or Black and White. They are both great. B&W is better done but Havoc is newer so reflects some stuff easier to understand.
    Secondly, I would divorce that b—- :-)
    And just to add: being an outsider it is impossible to understand the true essence of things. I’ve been knee deep in Hip Hop for a while and still barely understand some things (I am a Russian Jew). That’s why I only read fiction. At least that way there are no misplaced interpretations.

  • Bocian

    It’s really great song, I’m grateful for opportunity that I cud listen this song. Hip –Hop has like every things on this world some task to do, and  Hip – Hop fulfill their mission,  to show in simple way past and future our nations, always was that, what is deferent for common people, making aggression, I’m thinking in that case about wearing a kippa, and ye have to other color of skin sad bout what  happening till our days show us a hole a lot work to do bout how to change a heads witch potatoes instead brain, well maybe Hip – Hop is an answer.

  • David Strauss

    "we were slaves is not some textual ancient reference, but far more warp or woof of american history."

    Considering that Jewish labor in Germany during the Holocaust was slave labor, I don't think you're going to win an argument over who was enslaved more recently. I do, however, agree that the cultural impact of slavery in the United States is proportional to its historical duration.

  • yonahfred

    jewish consciousness includes the seder’s “we were slaves”, history’s “we were lampshades” and current tense war in the middle east. if an outsider thinks that it’s simple maybe they’re right. some of us can pass as white and getting a jewish brain and education through the luck of dna and cultural training certainly trumps the insecurity of current levels of jew hatred. without a memory, which sometimes appears to be the current modernistic ideal, being jewish is a bit of a joke. but to be conscious of recent history and ancient texts and current global dynamics that do not yield to any simplistic answer certainly presents a dubious gift of history to present day jews.
    the black stance is far simpler if more difficult. we were slaves is not some textual ancient reference, but far more warp or woof of american history. and as such it has a musical tradition that is far more integral to america. true gershwin and berlin, stoller lieber and carol king wrote the hits for america. but they wrote it as americans not as jews. just like al jolson found his meaning in blackface in the jazz singer, not as a cantor, so have we all along found our voice as something other than jewish.

  • WEVS1

    “My fascination with hip-hop has always intrigued and amused my third-generation Italian wife, Denise, who grew up in the more ethnically explicit suburbs of Long Island and always wondered what could possibly link my laid-back, West Coast, manicured-lawn childhood with the drive-by ghettoes of Compton.”

    “Education and access to a bourgeois lifestyle were always assumed.”

    Wow, let me guess…you’re a middle-class Jew who feels the need to identify with the black lumpenproletariat out of a sense of white liberal guilt? That’s why you listened to rappers like PE who denigrate your people.

    Don’t get me wrong, “Fight the Power” was dope when you’re a teen with little understanding of history or politics. But if you still find that sort of thing to be politically potent in your 20s and 30s, you really need to grow up. The ideology of the 5% Nation, Nation of Islam, and the rest of the nonsense spouted by PE and other so-called conscious rappers is in fact reactionary, not revolutionary. PE does not equal the BPP.

    As far as the Jewish connection with the Civil Rights movement, that is indeed true. But after the Civil Rights struggles were “won” many younger African Americans embraced an explicitly anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist form of Black Power. The Kahanist movement in the U.S. developed in large measure as a reaction against the anti-Semitism of the Black Power movements of the 1970s.

    Tod asks:

    “As an avowed hip-hop fan, I’ve often found myself singing along to Public Enemy and wondering if chanting that “Farrakhan’s a prophet that I think you oughta listen to” and the “so-called Chosen frozen” etc. etc. etc makes me somehow more self-hating than I already am.”

    The answer is yes, Tod.

    MMauser writes:

    “Blacks and Jews, while living side-by-side and ghetto-by-ghetto for generations in struggles to rise up in American life, have not always cooperated or got along. Far from it.”

    I hate to break it to folks who have never lived outside of the suburbs but many ethnic groups who live side-by-side despise each other. For example, there has been a lot of tension between African-Americans and Latinos as of late (including murders), African-Americans and Asians, Asians and Latinos, and so on down the line.

    ABM:

    “[O]ne only needs to pick up a copy of Commentator or New Republic magazines to be disabused of any notion of a connection.”

    I think you mean Commentary. Excellent articles on Katrina and poverty in the U.S. in this month’s issue, btw.

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunately the vast majority of Blacks like Arabs just want to blame instead of Do ! We are not made of the same stuff. Its their problem we need not appologize for being correct and conducting our lives better.

  • halli620

    I have absolutely heard people say that Jews should "get over" using the Holocaust to garner sympathy or as a reason for needing Israel. I don't know that I've read any articles on this, but I've read responses on blogs saying as much, and have heard it out loud from friends and acquaintances as well.

    In fact, I've heard it said much more often that Jews should stop bringing up the Holocaust than that blacks should move past racism. The only times I've heard the latter is when it is referring to how blacks have to realize that they have a lot of options and mobility in society if they are ambitious and work towards their goals, and shouldn't feel that the system either owes them anything or is against them. (I've never heard this reasoning applied to Jews, who if anything are instead portrayed as TOO ambitious and successful.)

    I know I'm speaking as a Jewish American, but I don't think the Holocaust should ever be "gotten over," because whatever is forgotten in history repeats itself. Neither should slavery be put away or forgotten, but while evoking the memory of tragedy in order to ensure it never happens again and as a reason for needing a Jewish homeland is one thing, evoking tragedy for the purpose of providing a reason for not trying to succeed in life is another.

  • Quiana

    Is it possible to be both narcissistic and self-hating?

    The hip hop influence is felt worldwide. It’s fan base spans all societal constructs of race, religion, ethnicity, and nationality.
    However, if Jews love hip hop, then there just has to be a special reason. After all, they’re a “special” people.

    The negative connotations with which you attribute Jewish males potentially (and possibly unintentionally) stigmatize an attribute. You appear critical of the notion that those from different backgrounds and experiences can share an unabashed appreciation for the same music.

    Also, the imagery that you evoke in your assessment of the Jewish community is myopic and stereotypical. You fail to acknowledge the diversity of backgrounds and experiences that comprise those that share a Jewish identity. The Jewish community, however it is defined, is hardly a monolith (another potentially unintended implication of your thesis).

    There’s a difference between being self-deprecating and being self-hating. The former implies having the confidence to laugh at one’s self; the latter is not amusing and showcases a lack of confidence.

  • mmausner

    as with many music/art forms in american culture, hip-hop started out as a particularly black form of expression, and once it achieved success and influence, began welcoming artists from all backgrounds as long as they had talent (and was often co-opted or exploited by many with less talent).  Jews became jazz and rock musicians from early on, and hip-hop too– the beastie boys are indeed acknowledged as among hip-hop's pioneers.

    From Foxy Brown (half Chinese) to Two Live Crew (some Vietnamese) to Eminem, mixed-race or other non-black hip-hop artists have been successful and have been welcomed into the larger pantheon.  Black exclusivity might have a place, but not in artistic expression.

  • DJ Gee

    I first read about this on Global Grind’s myspace blog (http://blog.myspace.com/theglobalgrind). This is why I love Hip-Hop, because it has the power for all to be able to relate to it, because it is the music of struggle. And, because Hip-Hop has become so powerful, it has become a way for those who do not understand our struggle to look into our music and culture to gain knowledge.

  • Holla

    Jews who like hip hop are the same as anyone else who likes it… because it makes us want to dance. If not dance then it’s about a certain kind of energy that is in some people & not others. My Jewish grandfather likes hip hop because he likes the beats. My black grandmother thinks it’s noise. Jew, non-Jew, Black, non-Black it does not matter. Different music connects to different people. Any musical genre could be considered garbage to another so why judge? We like what we like & that’s all.

  • Damon

    “And on the common struggle thing, nowadays, no one dares to tell Jewish people to get over the Holocaust the way people tend to tell blacks to get over racism or are accused using the “race card”.”–interesting idea indeed.

  • ABM

    Your article is largely bullsh!t. I, for instance, love how you and those like pass over the exploitation of Blacks by white Jews is not important like “emotional” history. I guess you get to decide what’s most important. White skin privilege to the rescue.

    And I really can’t stand people talking about the supposedly deep connection between Blacks and White Jews. Where was this connection wrt to the treatment of Ethiopian (or other African Jews whose Jewish status apparently needs to be approved and legitimized by whites) Jews in Israel? Or Israel’s alignment with apartheid South Africa? Hell, one only needs to pick up a copy of Commentator or New Republic magazines to be disabused of any notion of a connection. There’s really nothing about white Jews that stops them from embracing white supremacist ideals any less than other varieties of whites.

    And I co-sign Angela’s post.

  • Anonymous

    Jews and Hip Hop; it’s all beats and rhymes.

    Humans jump when they see a rat, because it’s in the blood.

    Jews don’t trust white people (WASPS) because it’s in the blood, so who do they feel more comfortable with?

    I’m a Black male, I’ve never fallen for that wimpy Jewish guy shit, most of the Jewish men I’ve met, hung with, have all been tough Jews that would have my back in a minute…beats and rhymes…beats and rhymes…

  • Angela

    To be honest, I see the Jewish love of hip-hop in the same vein I see non-black gentiles who love hip-hop(or any other form of music founded like African-Americans): the message and the music draws you(universal You), but at the end of the day, you don’t live the experience of being black from whence the message and struggle you adore stems from.

    Certainly Jewish people deal with appalling acts of antisemitism, and the Ghetto was built for Jews, but Jewish people aren’t crippled by the hip-hop culture. You can get down to the Ying-Yang Twins at a club, bump some Nas in your car, and wear baggy jeans and Rocawear, but you won’t be painted as a useless, uneducated thug simply because of the music you listen to and the way you dress. And on the common struggle thing, nowadays, no one dares to tell Jewish people to get over the Holocaust the way people tend to tell blacks to get over racism or are accused using the “race card”.

  • Anonymous

    Im not Jewish but Ive always been a fan of self-depreciating humor. The humbleness it takes to laugh at yourself is needed in the world today.

  • mmausner

    if it gives you that much of a hard-on, anonymous…

    Lakeland, how can you say the Beastie Boys have no talent?  Are you tone-deaf?  Have you ever heard "the In Sound from Way Out?"  Even without a single word or rap, they have more talent than all the 50cents out there combined…

    Blacks and Jews, while living side-by-side and ghetto-by-ghetto for generations in struggles to rise up in American life, have not always cooperated or got along.  Far from it.  Crown Heights today and yesterday is a bane to both blacks and Jews in terms of relations and mutual distrust and hatred, Jewish landlords and poor black tenants, hit-and-run and pogroms.  Williamsburg isn't much better.  While many assimilated Jews who stayed in cities did become quite black-friendly, the reverse was not always the case, and despite many intermarriages, black-anti-semitism is still common coin (some of my closest friends are half-black half-jewish, and when they hang out with black people who assume they're simply black, they hear all kinds of routine anti-semitism until they choose to point out their ancestry.)

  • Anonymous

    “But that being said, why half-ass it when you could do the real thing? Come to Israel, be in the army, preferably in an elite unit. Nothing beats that for masculinity.”

    Oh, the unbeatable testosterone rush of knowing you’re instrumental in performing sociocide upon an indigenous people!
    The brawny and stubbled thrill of demolishing homes! And you haven’t sprung a boner until you’ve kept the old and infirm waiting at a border crossing for hours in the hot sun!

  • J-Code

    "Hip-hop is the music of struggle, and we, because of our history of oppression, are naturally drawn to narratives of resistance and civil rights."

    It's very easy to like something, someone, or a group if they share the same struggles, likes/dislikes, politics, or common cause. With hip-hop and the Jews, we feel like someone understands and can feel some pain. Plus it makes us feel like total bad-asses if we come into the Synogogue parking lot bumping some NWA or Wu-Tang Clan.

    Great points Tanz.

  • Lakeland Ross

    “the annihilation of American-Jewish masculinity by the dominant gentile culture creates the White Negro phenomenon in a farcically extreme form.”

    Not true. No-talents like the Beastie Boys are merely in it for the buck and have no problems with masculinity or being able to see that they could imitate childish and for the most part prmitive ranting that the media proclaims art. Jews have a lot of control over “the culture” of the US through their domination of media. In white male masculinity has been under attack by this media for decades. One reason a lot of Jews enjoy hip hop is because it is perceived to be an attack on the so-called dominate culture (“white”/goy) and on another level because so many Jews are behind the scenes like Lyor Cohen (he was Lyor Schulman when we were in jr high – he has changed his name for some reason). Whether these Jews admit it or not, they enjoy the fact that these Jews are making money hand over fist by peddling an “art” that is for the most part garbage from no-talents. More money yanked from the rubes. That a kinship between blacks and Jews is anything beyond a business arrangement is fantasy.

    “…goyim naches is not a swipe at gentiles.” Sure. Some people actually know the real definition of goy. Ever the hypocrites. Suffering? Look into the Ukranian famine always blamed on “Stalin”.

  • Jason Kropsky

    The “shtarker” is nothing new. Being a tough guy is what sells books and movie scripts for Dave Mamet, what gave Jack Ruby the guts to knock off Oswald in 63′(afraid that the Jews of Dallas would be blamed for Kennedy’s assasination, he wanted to show that he was a “tough jew”), what has given wimps, sissies and Jewish mommas boys like the author of this piece the id craving to be a masogynist and killer in his spare fantasy time.

    Rap in its purest unadulterated gangsta’ form is not an outlet for the dispossed, but a feeding ground for butchers and bullies, what Joyce himself refered to as “goyim naches”. It’s the games that goyim play–the fantasy of toughness–that should ring hollow for Jews…Instead we–from unaffiliated and reform hip hip votaries to orthodox shtarker settlement nuts–play these macho games instead of returning to that shtetl ideal of “edlekeyt” or sensitivity…

    Rap could be a genuine Jewish art form if only Jews were willing to reject the bitches and hos angle for a more positive message!

    Disclaimer: goyim naches is not a swipe at gentiles, but a particular late nineteenth century exhibition of power among gentiles that has carried over into the twenty first century. Freud, Herzl, Jabotinsky, et al…all practiced goyim naches to prove their worth; the alternative was to be edelkayt or to turn ones back on games of power…Daniel Boyarin in “Unheroic Conduct” takes up this theme showing that the Lansky/Mailer/Roth phenomenon permeates the entire Jewish community. A “strong” response by Jewish men would promote sensitivity, kindness, being a mensch over macho bravado…

  • DanOne

    From the old-school to the Jew-school: A summary of Jews in Hiphop

    Funky Jews have always played an important role in the evolution of hip-hop culture and rap music. Despite glitches along the way (courtesy of Professor Griff and Ice Cube) Jews have maintained good relations with the rap community and have helped propel hip-hop to the stratosphere of pop culture.

    There are various theories that attempt to explain the role of Jews in rap, but I offer three:

    First, hip-hop was born in New York, the same city with the largest concentration of Jews in the USA. After World War II, thousands of poor Jewish immigrants settled in lower income neighborhoods predominantly in Brooklyn, The Bronx, and the Lower East Side of Manhattan. These Jewish enclaves were often located beside the most segregated, and poverty-stricken Black ghettos in New York. For example, one can see a synagogue right across the street from the Marcy houses in Brooklyn. Flatbush and Brownsville also have major Jewish and Black representation. Despite past racial tensions (Crown Heights riots), I think the the spatial closeness between Jews and Blacks in New York has facilitated mutual co-operation and understanding in hiphop.

    Second, both Jews and and African-Americans have historically been persecuted, allowing us to relate to each other as victimized minorities. Blacks and Jews have both experienced the worst human tragedies in history (Holocaust and slavery), therefore we understand one another on a unique level. However, I will suggest that economic inequalities experienced by too many African-Americans, has somewhat alienated that understanding.

    Third, I feel Jews have a genetic disposition to funk. We feel funk, we know funk, we see funk – its in our veins. That, and good business sense.

    Well those are my three ideas on why I think Jews and rap music (read: Black People) have enjoyed good relations in the industry.

    The following is a list of prominent Jews who have made healthy contributions to the rap game:

    The Beastie Boys , The High and Mighty, Lyor Cohen, MC Serch, DJ Steinski, Ill Bill, Necro, Stretch Armstrong, Dru-Ha, Rick Rubin, Jerry Heller, Remedy, Blood of Abraham, Tommy Silverman (Tommy Boy), Princess Superstar, Clive Davis.

    Daniel Teitlebaum
    Toronto, Canada

  • Hank Essay

    Hmmmmm….Back East, outside of NYC where I grew up, many reform Jews live in neighborhoods and towns that have large numbers of black people. In fact, many of our progressive parents intentionally moved to these towns in the post Civil-Rights Movement Era (think New Rochelle, Montclair, Teaneck, etc) to “live the dream” or something like that…I can’t speak for Jason from Tacoma, WA, but I like hip hop because I grew up around it and my black friends and classmates listened to it. Maybe Jason’s wife needs to meet some other Jewish male hip hop fans who aren’t attracted to the music because of some Woody Allen-like neurotic attempt to free our Grandparents from Auschwitz….

    For some of us, it isn’t that complicated. Hollah.

  • Anonymous

    Chuck D apologized for that several times. A long time ago. Let it go.

    And by the way, my entire rap collection consists of 2 Public Enemy albums. Not living in NYC, I personally haven’t seen any connection between Jews & Hip-Hop fans at all.

    As for Jewish “manliness”, let me say that 1) Macho is not a virtue and 2) I thought we settled this with James Caan!

  • Tod Goldberg

    As an avowed hip-hop fan, I've often found myself singing along to Public Enemy and wondering if chanting that "Farrakhan's a prophet that I think you oughta listen to" and the "so-called Chosen frozen" etc. etc. etc makes me somehow more self-hating than I already am.

  • Jonathan

    Benjamin,

    I’m looking forward to reading your article about Yoni. I read the book of his letters numerous times when I was working on a Kibbutz. I ended up back here in the states, but if there was one thing that almost caused me to make aliya, it was that book. I have two versions of the book on my shelf at home, but I can’t bear to actually read the book again–it raises too many doubts about the choices I’ve made.

    Cheers,

    Jonathan

  • mmausner

    benjamin has it partly right.  For sure Jewish men should abandon the woody allen, seinfeld, self-depreciating persona and stand up for themselves more… but in my experience, a great many american jewish men have indeed moved up.  Many of the start athletes at my HS and college were Jewish, a lot of the most powerful cultural presences i was around in NY/Brooklyn scenes were jewish, and obviously in terms of professional success, Jewish men do disproportionately well…

    But that being said, why half-ass it when you could do the real thing? Come to Israel, be in the army, preferably in an elite unit.  Nothing beats that for masculinity.

  • Benjamin Kerstein

    I've always loathed hip-hop. I'm with Bill Cosby, black music has taken quite the nose dive since the days of the jazz. I'm afraid the wife has it right, the annihilation of American-Jewish masculinity by the dominant gentile culture creates the White Negro phenomenon in a farcically extreme form. Unless American Jews start making peace with their masculinity and stop allowing themselves to be castrated by a culture that demands they act like effeminate neurotics, they're only going to get more and more ludicrous in their attempts to mimic the masculinity of other minority groups. Or they can simply repair to Israel where we all think, somewhere deep down, that we're really Jonathan Netanyahu. But that's a whole other article…

  • Anonymous

    How can you write a story on Jews in Hip Hop without mentioning the Beastie Boys?!

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps this piece would have greater impact, and interest, if Tanz’s wife wasn’t trafficking in the most disturbing stereotypes about Jewish men. Why exactly did she marry one?

  • mmausner

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0spaNe8Ex54

    interesting eminem-ish jewish rapper named yishai, with a rap addressing this…