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Women Who Make More Than Their Men: Can We Please Get Over It?

Izzy Grinspan
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Having your steak and eating it too: Would it taste as good if you know it was bought with--gasp--ladymoney?Having your steak and eating it too: Would it taste as good if you know it was bought with--gasp--ladymoney?The most heartening part of this weekend’s New York Times Style section article on women who make more money than their boyfriends and the low-earners who love them:

Michael R. Cunningham, a psychologist who teaches in the communication department at the University of Louisville, conducted a survey of college women to see if, upon graduation, they would prefer to settle down with a high school teacher who has short workdays, summers off and spare energy to help raise children, or with a surgeon who earns eight times as much but works brutal hours. Three-quarters of the women said they would choose the teacher.

The point, Professor Cunningham said, was that young professionally oriented women have no problem dating down if the man is secure, motivated in his own field and emotionally supportive.

This is good news! This is the kind of thing that should get headlines! It looks like our nation’s female college students, the ones people like Laura Sessions Stepp are always fretting over, actually have pretty decent priorities when it comes to long-term mates. They’d rather shack up with someone who likes his job and contributes to the household than a frantic, tooth-grinding success-whore. It’s almost as if the same people who want to have drunken hook-ups at the age of 19 realize that in the long run Mr. Budweiser McSixpack will not make a suitable life-partner. Almost as if an entire generation is ultimately looking for a healthy, equitable relationship with someone who likes them more than he likes his bank account.

The Times, however, saw this differently:

At least, that’s what their responses are in surveys. Talk about the subject with women a bit older — those who have been out of college long enough to be more hardened — and what you hear is ambivalence, if not downright hostility, about the income disparity.

Jade Wannell, 25, a producer at a Chicago ad agency who lives in a high-rise apartment building, started dating a 29-year-old administrator at a trucking company last year. “He was really sweet,” she said. But “he didn’t work many hours and ended up hanging out at home a lot. I was bored and didn’t feel challenged. He would finish work at 3 and want to go to the bar. The college way of life is still in them at that age. All they want to do is drink with the boys on Saturday. I was like ‘Let’s go to an art gallery’ and all he wanted to do was go to the bars.”

Nothing about these complaints necessarily indicates the level of Wannell's ex’s income. “All they want to do is drink with the boys on Saturday” certainly describes half of Wall Street, Saturday being the brief sliver of time when bankers don’t have to be at the office. What she’s saying, instead, is that she didn’t like her ex’s lack of ambition and thought he was boring. In fact, based entirely on this quote, one might assume that Wannell would be better off dating a museum assistant who worked 14 hours a day and spent his free time at openings, or (heavens) a painter who spent 14 hours a day perfecting his craft—and you know that guy wouldn’t be able to match her ad agent earnings.

It's a little scary, from my lefty Quaker standpoint, that this article completely refuses to acknowledge that there's a difference between working hard and making money, as if any guy who's passionate about what he does will surely be healthily compensated for, you know, pursuing his dreams (and thereby that any guy who's unsuitably broke is clearly a slacker who just isn't trying hard enough.) It's especially disturbing when you realize that Wannell literally told the writer: “It wasn’t the job, it was the passion.” But ultimately the forced conclusions of this kind of trend piece don’t really matter. Women’s salaries are going to continue increasing relative to men’s, and everyone is going to have to deal with it. Better to accept the horrible misfortune of making a lot of money—or having to let your woman buy you dinner—and be an early adopter as well as a rich—or well-fed—bastard.

 



Izzy Grinspan

Izzy Grinspan is Jewcy's ex-managing editor. Her work has been published in Salon, The Believer, and The Village Voice.


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JewcyCraig

JewcyCraig


While "Moneybags" Grinspan can support that no-good-louse-of-a-fiance, not every man is comfortable having his balls pruned like a bonsai tree to the tittered delight of his he-bitch girlbrute wife or girlfriend. Anyway, I'm gonna read this article now. 





Anonymous


This whole "I'm-an-asshole" personality (whether put on or real) should get chucked in the trash along with the college beer-guzzling attitude IG disparages. Grow up, grow up, grow up!





David Strauss

David Strauss


You have made my day. :-)





JewcyCraig

JewcyCraig


...Do you mean specifically MY attitude, or the attitude of my and my own? Because there have been 2 or 3 other anonymous commenters in the past six months or so that have expressed, um, a degree of a disdain for the way I talk on the site. And I can't tell if it's all just one crazy person, or if everyone feels that way.

If you all just let me know, I'll be sure to take the appropriate action. And I'm sure we can work something out.





Anonymous


Craig, of course I deplore immature sexism and defensive "man-talk" in anyone. It's an epidemic. However, you are a personality, and a strong personality, on this site and a "leader" (God help us!) in this virtual community, so, I guess I am holding you to an unfair higher standard than the average asshole. Forgive me, if you can. You of course have the right to express whatever you want, but my response to your comments is nearly always that you come across as an immature, self-centered, sexist asshole sadly holding on to some image of male freedom and privilege that seems to be related to social status (men make more money, etc) and getting "laid." It's sort of tiresome. You seem like an intelligent guy under all this, and like any good Jewish mother I worry you'll never find a nice girl to love.





Larry Spritz

Larry Spritz


Ugh. You sound just like my wife. She may be a lawyer that earns alot more than I do at the auto shop, but that doesnt give her any excuse for thinking shes better than me or anything. When I get home, I just want my feet rubbed and whats more "liberating" than making me smile?





Anonymous


Liberation is being treated like a whole, individual, unique person, not being relegated to a role (ie treating your wife as "wife" instead of as the person she is).





Larry Spritz

Larry Spritz


Maybe you should get a man before you decide massaging the corns on my feet doesnt put happyness in a lady's life.





JewcyCraig

JewcyCraig


..And like that, I've been replaced.

Anyway, Anon, I'll make a deal with you. I'll make an attempt to clean up my act if you start posting under a single username so I know I'm offending the same person when I slip.

And, much obliged on your semi-compliments! Of course, it's not unfair to apply a higher standard to me over your average asshole. What's unfair is applying a lower standard to them than me! Maybe we can help fix society in some small way if we do that.

So tell me, as a good Jewish mother, is there a nice Jewish daughter somewhere who inherited your intellectual chutzpah?





Adam Shprintzen

Adam Shprintzen


Despite similar last name prefixes, I expunge myself from Larry's point of view.

Oy.



H


Also speaking as a Jewish mother, I find Craigs humorous, sarcastic and self depricating comments a breath of fresh air compared with the fanatical, stodgy, buzz/bibliography quoters trying to show how smart they think they are jokers - that usually post. I know that last sentence sort of hurts to read or say - but you get the point.





Joey Kurtzman

Joey Kurtzman


"Fanatical, stodgy, buzz/bibliography quoters trying to show how smart they think they are."

Craig, this is yet another example of why we need to make the tagline at the top of the page changeable. In an ideal world (Henderson recently published some fine work demonstrating once and for all that Arouet simply never even understood Leibniz, so please understand that I use "ideal" with no debt whatsoever to that posturing French fraud's willfully distortive caricature of a mind far finer than his own; my spirit, as always, is with Thomas More, whose vision, mutatis mutandis, is carried like the very Arc of the Covenant into the third millennium by humanistic titans and modern-day Joshuas such as the martyr Wolfowitz and, most especially, Ahmed Chalabi, whose star will rise again) we would have that quote up as a tagline for six hours today.

I'm serious. Is there really no way we can get a pretty but easily changeable text field up there instead of a feckin' JPEG? The doozies keep coming.

 





H


I usually get paid the big bucks to come up with taglines - for Jewcy, no charge.





JewcyCraig

JewcyCraig


Mom, thanks again for speaking out. And, not to nitpick, Joey, but it's a GIF, not a JPG. Just sayin'.