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Jewish Girls Are Easy(er)

Look But Don't Touch: Non-Jews aren't the sexual holy grailLook But Don't Touch: Non-Jews aren't the sexual holy grailSince Tamar and Laurel have weighed in on the whole pre-marital sex thing, I wanted to take a shot at it myself. I think enough clever things have been said about talking to frum girls about sex, but what about the guys? One of the responses to Tamar’s post made me cringe. The notion that pre-marital sex with non-Jewish women—or as a charming ex of mine once said “shiksa’s are for practice”—is one that gives me the dry heaves.

First off, what does that say about us as a nation if we consider women who are not of our faith to not count when it comes to sex? To my mind, that’s the same as negating the inherent value of another human being. Not cool.

And, more importantly, not even close to being an halachically sound notion. This might be a new term for many out there, but there’s a clearly little known concept described as menuval birshut hatorah—which basically translates to mean being slimy while remaining within the technical confines of halachah.

Yes, it’s halachically slightly more acceptable to sleep with non-Jewish women because the rules of niddah do not apply to them. But that still doesn’t mean it’s a good plan.

When discussing this topic with my parents—hey, I’m weird like that, what can I say—my dad wisely pointed out: “Remember Pinchas?”

For those who don’t, a quick refresher course: Pinchas is a biblical character renowned for his religious zeal, which earned him the honor of being appointed as a Cohen by G-d.

But let’s go back to Bamidbar 25 3-13, where Pinchas earns this honor.

And one man of the B'nai Yisrael came, and brought to his brothers a Midianite, in the sight of Moshe, and in the sight of all the congregation of B'nai Yisrael, and they were weeping at the door of the Ohel Mo'ed. And Pinchas, ben Elazar, ben Aharon HaKohen saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a spear in his hand. And he went after the man of Yisrael into the tent, and stabbed both of them, the man of Yisrael, and the woman, through her belly. And the plague was stopped from the B'nai Yisrael. And those that died in the plague were twenty-four thousand. And Hashem said to Moshe, saying. Pinchas ben Elazar ben Aharon HaKohen has turned my anger away from the B'nai Yisrael

 

Please, please, please don’t think that by quoting this story I am suggesting that I think pre-marital sex of ANY kind, be it between Jews and non-Jews or two Jews, warrants a death penalty. We don’t live in Biblical times, and killing someone with a spear would certainly be a far greater crime than getting a little action, despite what the religious right may want you to believe. I’m just saying, there aren’t any stories in the Torah about men getting speared for sleeping with Jewish girls, whether or not they’re married. So maybe, just maybe, sleeping with non-Jewish women isn’t the solution to the Jewish male libido.



Jordana White is a freelance editor in Nashville. She's a new home owner and a newlywed: so much excitement in such a short time!


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Anonymous


Pinchas

Good post, but there's a little more to the Pinchas story. My recollection is that Zimri was engaging in public idol worship, not just having sex. Maybe all we can say for Zimri is don't have sex with non jewish girls if it's part of another religions religious practices.





bochur


halacha

the actual halach for having sex with a non jew is that "kanaim pogin bo" meaning zealots may kill him while he is in the act.





Anonymous


Pinchas

I have always had a lot of problems with the Pinchas's story. It is clear that G-d approved of the crazed actions of Pinchas.

However, it is more interesting to me that before Pinchas went off the deep-end Moshe had been told to take action by G-d to stop the mixing with the Midianite women. Moshe who had a direct relationship with G-d appears to have been ambivalent about the issue. Moshe’s marriage to a non-israelite and Moshe’s tolerance on the issue is to me more meaningful then the crazed Pinchas.





Anonymous




Anonymous


As a non-white, non-jew I

As a non-white, non-jew I can clearly say, Jewish girls are easy





Anonymous


Halachah

Bochur,

Don't there have to be two witnesses and other requirements first?





SaraBenincasa


Killin' In the Name Of

Bochur, Anonymous, et.al:

As one who has humped many a Jew, Christian, and Wiccan (yes, for reals--he prayed to tree spirits!) in my day, I can say that not one of them has ever, like, burst into flames during any part of the act. Other burning sensations can perhaps be attributed to issues of a more earthly nature. Me and the other shiksas will be sure to let you know if any zealots kill any of our Jewish sex partners. That rule is awesome, BTW. The part about the two witnesses just makes it kinky. I'm glad that ancient Jewish wise men anticipated the coming of snuff films and planned accordingly.





Anonymous


Sara, No one said anything

Sara,

No one said anything about bursting into flames. The truth is the Rabbis assumed there would be shiksas like you around and made it almost impossible to actually find someone guilty. Although, I don't suggest you "hump" a Jew in front of the Kotel anytime soon. :)





Leo


easy?

I am Latino and I have had quite a few non-Latina women. Many of these were Jewish. I am not sure why so many were jewish. Were they easier? Were there just a lot of them around? Was my local hangout near a temple? I am really not sure. But what I liked about them was that they were pretty much no holds barred. Maybe I was their first non-jew they were with or maybe they just wanted to piss off their parents. That was evident with one who insisted I meet her parents even though we had dated for a a week or two. I could tell they were not happy with her dating the gardener. Either way what did I care she just wanted a good lay and I just wanted an easy one. I don't want to say Jewish girls are easy, (because girls are just easy, you just have to ask nicely), but the Jewish girls I dated were, well, easy.





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