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What’s So Bad About Satanism?

Carnal religion and interfaith child-rearing
 
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A custody battle is brewing in Indiana, and it hinges on whether or not Satanism is a real religion. Jamie Meyer, a 30-year-old factory worker, is the divorced father of three young girls, and a member of the Church of Satan. Meyer’s ex-wife is suing to restrict his visitation time to allow his girls to attend Christian church. She also argues that the Church of Satan isn’t a real religion, that Meyer’s beliefs embarrass the children, and that Meyer’s may not really believe in Satanism.
Satanic pentagram: tres creepySatanic pentagram: tres creepy
But the Satanism being practiced by Meyer isn’t what you might think. It’s nothing like what you saw in Rosemary’s Baby. Instead, Satanism is a “carnal religion.” Its members are atheists, anti-spiritualists, and proponents of pride, liberty, and individualism. That’s according to the current high Priest of the Church of Satan, Peter Gilmore. Doesn’t sound so bad, right?

A trip to the Church of Satan website (definitely not safe for work) proves otherwise. Here are the slightly creepy Nine Satanic Statements: 

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!


There are also Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth, including, “Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.” And my favorite: “Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.”

But what’s at stake in this case has little to do with mating rituals or magic. Meyer’s ex-wife is suing on grounds that raising the kids with two conflicting faiths in their lives could be emotionally damaging, in addition to her discomfort with the Church of Satan in general. In a time when more and more people are intermarrying, the core issue of whether two religions can cause emotional damage to a kid is fascinating and tricky. The Church of Satan is a particularly potent example of how things can conflict, but a kid with a Jewish father and Christian mother can be plenty confused, too (see: Half/Life). Or he can be totally well-adjusted. It may have more to do with the parents than the religion, right?

I never thought I’d feel a little defensive about the Church of Satan, but in this case, I don’t want an anti-interfaith precedent to be set. 



 

Aharon Varady


Similar to tragic custody case of Rachel Bevilacqua

This sounds disturbingly similar to what happened to Rachel Bevilacqua. Rachel belonged to the Church of Subgenius, not the Church or Satan, but the conservative judge who saw the custody case brought against her by her ex-husband didn't consider her beliefs and actions any less deviant. Her custody was revoked and her appeal as of July 2007 was denied. Very sad. From wikinews:

Rev. Mary Magdalen (Rachel Bevilacqua) of the Church of the SubGenius, a postmodern or parody religion, lost custody of her child in February of 2006, seemingly due to her involvment with the church. Church members are touting the judge's response to her involvment with the church together with his decision as religious discrimination, and the ACLU is examining the situation.
Judge James Punch (Orleans County) allegedly denied custody of the child her son out of anger, after seeing videos of Rev. Magdalen in a bondage "dress" and papier maché goat’s head at the church's X-Day celebration and performance art piece. Judge Punch repeatedly asked, "Why a goat? What’s so significant about a goat’s head?" When Rev. Magdalen replied, "I just thought the word 'goat' was funny," the court then pressed her to explain how her actions were funny, finally concluding with the statement, "Obviously there's nothing funny in those pictures."
According to Rev. Magdalen, the judge reportedly lost his temper and shouted at her, calling her a "pervert," "mentally ill," "lying," and a participant in "sex orgies."





Shootingsparks


nothing strange here....

seems like another program zionist to me...





Otro Dave


LaVeyan Satanism is really

LaVeyan Satanism is really harmless and boring. It's basically Ayn Rand by way of Elvira, small-l libertarianism with some spooky atmosphere. As much as I'm tempted to not let them raise kids for fear of turning them into terminal douchebags, this is really a case the court should stay away from. Whether the kids are embarrassed by their father's religion is wholly irrelevant anyway, and what is/isn't a real religion is not the domain of the court system, thank god.





zbird


this says more about divorce than religion vs. state

Otro Dave:

 I sympathize with your desire to keep the courts out of religion, but in the context of divorce it's nearly impossible.  When exes can't agree on how to raise their kids, the courts inevitably become involved.  One day a judge will decide which religious school the kids go to.  The next day a judge decides if the kid does soccer or baseball.  Then a judge decides whether daddy visits on Saturday or Sunday.  Aside from being a creepy government intrusion on one's private life, it costs tax payers quite a bit.  But if Mom and Dad can't agree on anything, the state has to get involved.  

--Z





Anonymous


theres more then one

theres more then one satanist view point, another ones here www.thesextree.co.uk

the bdsm gothic satanic pro european communist psychic witch runing for president of europe as the antichrist...

the satanic argument is as follows:

existence is paradox, their are no rules only solutions (as its proof of the impossible, hence anything goes as your only limited by your belief set

belief is devisive, hence questioning unites on the bridge of compromise, so question, question, question anyone in authority and do it yourself

you should use proof by exception to rule things out, rather then trying to assume what it is, which is gods way...

the devil's good, and god is evil because  the devils nature, pan, the world the physcial and the mascaline. while the femaine is the invisible unseen view..

shes the jealouse bitch upstairs, trying to get you to conform and be something your not, while the devil takes you in regardless of uncondtional love, no though shat not, here!

god is censorhips, ignorance and fear while the devil is the morning star, looks to the flaw and works out what it isn't, and the priests are evil, as simple as that...

things i've proved... by learning clarvoyance and looking to my own experiences, you notice prove doesn't mean believe as rather then focus on theory, i look at terming the facts in words i can understand to define the problem domain  this puts the other religons in context, and should go some way to alievate the "temper tantrums"

communication is occuring at range, between human beyond the stand 5 sences, and i know this because i have had dreams, and clairvoyance such as images of my tenant going into hospital, my ex smashing the house up, next door neugbour diggers showing up the next day, and on all those occasions i haven't had contact with the people, or even known who they are....

which basically is the gist, by doing psychic courses, and learning to do these things for yourself, you take the power and you learn to be individual about it...

and you have a righr to bare arms, because no amount of people have the right to come together as a group under any flag or banner and impose their will on any other, as the individual is their own soverign state and you have to learn to respect one another instead... morality is evil as its imposing your will on the people, and you don't have the right none of you do, as you are all free in the devils eyes...

so screw god, and if you lie, so help you god, because the devil won't! if anything we will rip you apart (which is where i differ from levy) why because, when your learning auras and psychic development, people who lie and hold things back, piss you off, as instead od learning you are right, you think your crazy, and thats anoying as you get told a lot of hurtful things, until you come to terms with it, and realise you know more then they ever did, at which point you are unstoppable, and they are well...

 history, a legacy of a forgotton age, and chrisitans embarass me, in fact all of gods people do, stupid hypocritical, and two faced as they refuse to pass things on unless its in their image because they fear the slavers whip and that screws the world up, and makes everyone unhappy, as no one (or rather very few) has learn to be their selves at, and a christians first port of call, it to balme someone else, rather then take responsibility for their own actions, and face their own fear.

your destiny, your life, and your choice, now accept the risk and do as you will, for their can be no other way, and if anyone screws me over, your going down!

love n hugs

 the antichrist and if you have time, check out www.thedevillived.co.uk as well...





tellner


If she wants her kids to go

If she wants her kids to go to Church, she can find take them there on her own time, not his. Plenty of churches have evening services during the week.





JewcyCraig


The Devil Lived

Oh wow, like, great insight man, you totally like, blew my mind with your insight. The Devil Lived outline is pretty sweet too, I bet like, all the sheeple in your intro to creative writing class were like totally disturbed and stuff. Except I think it'd be sweeter if like, maybe you had a dog that had sex with like, a priest or something and, like, I don't know, some pentagrams and stuff.