International Islamic Conferences Are A Sad Farce

You have pointed out the farcical nature of these conferences! But the Mufti's comments on dialogue were a shocker!

Well, let's check in with Guardian journalist Riazat Butt, who was there. A quick glance of her report reveals that shortly after King Abdullah's adequately harmonious tidings of tolerance, he was contradicted by the Grand Mufti of his own state, according to whom:

[D]ialogue with other religions was a way to bring non-Muslims into Islam. The cleric, who is the highest official of religious law, told the delegates that converting people to Islam was the ultimate goal of dialogue, a point he made several times. "It is the opportunity to disseminate the principles of Islam. Islam advocates dialogue among people, especially calling them to the path of Allah."

In other words, no one had told the most important religious leader in the room that tolerance is different from evangelism.

Why do you think that Christians take part in interfaith dialogues?

What is the point of a political discussion?

 Usually the various factions are trying to persuade the others to come to their point of view.

It is a Jewish prejudice to denigrate proselytization as "dogmatic, intolerant and inflexible."  One could just as well argue that Jews are "dogmatic, intolerant and inflexible" for refusing to listen to the religious opinions of others.

Proselytizers whether Christian or Muslim today (and Jewish in the past) preached their religion to others out of a sincere desire to share a good thing.

they are positively a threat if one considers that their purpose is to prepare the world to acquiesce to another round of terrorism and tyrannical conquest.

My take on the Mecca Conference is here. This conference appears particularly substantive, even dangerous, because it re-legitimizes mass terror and creates a permanent mechanism to further its goals of Islamic proselytization and criminalization of criticism. It is the difference between a meeting of nineteenth century anarchists and the establishment of the Communist International: the threat will be far more organized, well-funded, and coordinated.

Of course, I may be all wrong, and this stuff is just meaningless jaw-jaw that the participants will forget about. Or not. Didn't the world brush off Bin Laden's declaration of war against the U.S. in the 1990s?

Extremism 

Someone that believes that Eastern European ethnic Ashkenazim had the right to steal Palestine from the native population on the basis of an etymological relationship between the word "Jew" and the word "Judea" would by the same reasoning argue that the Irish have the right to ethnically cleanse and steal Rome because the Irish mostly practice the Roman Catholic religion, which contains the word "Roman" in its name.

Zionist ideology is so extreme that it is practically psychotic, and any Zionist or supporter of Zionism should be denaturalized and treated as a dangerous psychopath.

The Looming Zionist Tower

The imperialism of the Zionist Virtual Colonial Motherland, which I call Judonia (see Introduction: The Virtual Colonial Motherland as Political Innovation), represents the gravest of threats to America and to the whole human race. It has the ability to manipulate the governments of the USA, Canada, the UK, and most of Europe. By manipulating the US economy, the World Bank, and the IMF, it has developed tremendous wealth.The staff of Judonia is willing to use any form of violence, any form of subversion, and any lie to increase Judonian wealth and power for the good of the Jewish people and to make the world safe for Israel. Israeli security effectively requires the subjugation of the human race, which started with the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, continued with the impoverishment of the populations of the southern cone of Latin America as well as the looting of SE Asian and the former Soviet States all in the name of freedom.  Then the depredations of Judonia became even worse to include the immurement of Palestinians as well as the incineration, dismantlement, and cluster-bombing of Arab and Muslim countries (Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, and Somalia), along with support for a coup in Venezuela (Venezuela coup linked to Bush team | World news | The Observer[475]) likewise in the name of freedom and with incitement to attack other Arab and Muslim countries (the Sudan, Pakistan, and Iran) also in the name of freedom.

NEU Professor M. Shahid Alam writes (M. Shahid Alam: The Clash Thesis: a Failing Ideology?[476]): 

Americans are also asking, the President informs us, "why do they hate us?" His answer is clearly stated. "They hate what we see right here in this chamber ­ a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms ­ our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other." It is not clear anymore if 'they' points to al-Qaida, the Arabs or all Muslims. 

It is hardly surprising that Arabs, Muslims and increasing numbers of other peoples hate American freedoms that amount to free fire zones and free market exploitation, and as long as Judonia controls the US government, we Americans have no genuine freedom.Because Judonia was unable to loot the Arab world under the cover of free markets, the American taxpayer is already being exploited to bailout Wall Street Banks.  Once Judonian assets are fully and securely globalized, the staff and members of Judonia would probably welcome the collapse of the US economy because it would hurt the Chinese and the Gulf Arabs.  The section Fighting Back to Save America in Judonia Rising Working Paper Part 1 (pdf)[477] or Judonia Rising Working Paper Part 1[478] provides some suggestions for actions against Judonia, and there are some exploitable fault lines within Judonia as this document has indicated, but so much of the US government has been compromised – including the executive and practically the entire Congress – that Judonia may have achieved permanent domination over the USA.Judonia’s only real weakness comes from the system that Judonia has constructed 

• in the security and anti-terrorism laws that have become part of US criminal code since 9/11 and
• in the humanitarian and anti-genocide discourse that the staff of Judonia has created to use against the Sudan and Iran.

Only Americans deny to any significant degree that Israel is a murderous terrorist state that is founded in genocide and that casually commits crimes against humanity as a matter of state policy. 

As gas prices rise over the summer, Americans may become more open to hearing the truth, and then the members, staff and organizations of Judonia will become vulnerable to accusations of giving material support to terrorism and of inciting genocide.

If Jews and Jewish organizations do not receive exactly the same treatment as Muslims and Muslim organizations accused of giving material support to terrorism, Jewish officials like Mukasey and Chertoff will be vulnerable to accusations of enforcing one set of laws for Jews and another for non-Jews.[lxxiv]

Generally, unequal prosecution amounts to obstruction of justice or to some other related form of official malfeasance. Jewish officials and collaborators engaging in obstruction of justice and related official malfeasance in the service of Judonia will themselves become prosecutable or at least summarily dismissible. 

A public discussion of Jewish racism and conspiracy should make it possible to ask whether non-Jews can suggest the sort of treatment for the Jewish state that Jewish officials are willing to recommend for non-Jewish states.

Because the State of Israel is the keystone of the subversive influence that the Zionist intelligentsia of Judonia have over America,  

• forcing regime change in Israel as it was forced in Iraq or
• abolishing the Jewish state as the Iraqi state has been effectively dismantled by the occupation

would almost certainly improve the security of the USA, give Americans their country back, and make it possible to take Judonia apart and seize assets to serve  

• as compensation for the damage that Judonia has caused to America and
• as relief for the suffering that Judonia has caused Middle Eastern and other populations throughout the world since the founding of the modern Zionist movement.

If Americans do not take action to neutralize Judonia very soon, the next generation of security technology may give Judonia permanent unassailable domination over the USA.

Who is this creature ThorsProvoni, and why does he spend so much of his time going through all articles in this website spilling his hallucinations about the "ethnic Ashkenazim"? Is anyone responsible for this site going to address this? I know I'm only half Ashkenazi, but I want some part on this "Judonia" deal so I can move some assets into my account to pay some bills and put gas in my car.

I run a Boston area activist group called Ethnic Ashkenazim Against Zionist Israel, and I use my vast knowledge of Jewish studies on behalf of Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, Americans, and the human race in order to fight Zionism and the State of Israel.

(At one time I would have included Jews in the list of groups I was trying to help, but after seeing the crimes of Zionism up close and personal, I no longer have any interest in working on behalf of Jews although I am willing to make the information available so that Jews can save themselves from the completely justified hatred that Zionism, the State of Israel and Judonia are creating throughout the world.)

Zionism was always a scam that only benefited a tiny number Jewish political economic oligarchs and the staff of the beauracracy they finance.

In response to the anti-Muslim propaganda of fanatic Jewish racists like Solomon2, explaining how the hyperwealthy Zionist leadership exploits and parasitizes the USA and other nations is the only appropriate course of action.

As for getting a piece of "Judonia," Judia would have to be worth at least $200 -- $300 million to qualify as a Judonian oligarch or member of the Judonian elite.

Below is the core discussion of Judonia from The Israel Lobby and American Society:

When Uri Avnery spoke upon receiving[120] the Lev Kopelev prize with Sari Nusseibeh in Cologne, Germany on November 22, 2003,[xvi] he tried to whitewash Zionism by joking:

"What is a Zionist? A Jew who takes the money of a second Jew in order to send a third Jew to Palestine." 

This quip has appeared in discussions of Zionism for about 75 years (including recently in the Mondoweiss blog[121]) and hides the facts by putting them in plain view with a sarcastic description that can apply to the colonial office of any imperial state that uses some portion of tax revenue to send settlers to live in a foreign colony. In other words, the goal of Zionism was not so much the establishment of a settlement or state in Palestine as it was of creating an Empire. In the context of the last decades of the nineteenth century, the idea was hardly unreasonable. The newly consolidated German and Italian states felt cheated or left out and fairly quickly sought to enhance their status, wealth and power by acquiring foreign colonies. 

In the 1880s Eastern European Jews outnumbered Danes, who already had their own colonial Empire. While the Dutch built their physical countryside as they became wealthier and more powerful through enlargement and exploitation of their imperial possessions, Zionists never bothered with a physical territory but expanded and elaborated the organizational capabilities of their virtual colonial motherland as they became richer and more influential in parallel with the development of the Zionist settlement in Palestine.

Because discussing a colonial motherland in connection with Zionism seems oxymoronic by definition within the framework of Zionist ideology and possibly because mainstream academics simply do not take Jewish history and politics seriously enough, the development of this virtual state structure has escaped the attention of all historians and political scientists that have studied the history of Modern Israel and its relationship with the USA. Professors John Mearsheimer and Walt use the term Israel lobby but explain:

"We use “Israel lobby” as a convenient shorthand term for the loose coalition of individuals and organizations that actively work to shape U.S. foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction." (The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt,[122] p. 112.)

They add: 

"As with other special interest groups, the boundaries of the Israel lobby cannot be identified precisely, and there will always be some borderline individuals or organizations whose position is hard to classify." (Ibid, p. 113.)

James Petras writes in The Power of Israel in the United States:[123] 

C. Wright Mills once wrote that the US “power elite” ruled by denying it held power. The Zionist elite follows this formula, but defends itself by accusing its adversaries of being “anti-Semites” and pursuing retributive measures that would please former Senator Joseph McCarthy. The Zionist power configuration (ZPC) cannot be understood merely as the “Jewish Lobby” or even the AIPAC, as formidable as it is, with 150 full-time functionaries. The ZPC can best be understood as a complex network of interrelated formal and informal groupings, operating at the international, national, regional and local levels, and directly and systematically subordinated to the State of Israel, its power holders and key decision makers.” (p. 46.)

In some regards ZPC is better than Israel lobby, but Petras is incorrect in claiming that the ZPC is “subordinated to the State of Israel, its power holders and key decision makers.” Neither of the two terms does justice to the history or political economy of the Zionist virtual colonial motherland, which this document names by combining combining Iud/aeus (Latin: Jew) with Pol/onia.to create the term Judonia in order to emphasize the analogy with the historical concept of Polonia during the time period when the Polish state had ceased to exist.

Judonia’s leadership is unique among imperial governments, for it has no need to compromise with or compensate for the exigencies of ruling an actual physical nation-state.  Because Judonia’s colonialism and imperialism function in particularly pure forms, they would long ago have become the subjects of immense scholarly inquiry if only mainstream historians and political scientists took Jewish history and internal politics seriously.

A Disenfranchised Elite

The Jews of Commonwealth Poland (Rzeczpospolita Polska, 1505-1795) had lived in the center of a powerful state and constituted an economic elite with easy access to the rulers. In partitioned Poland they were a disenfranchised frustrated transnational elite of a vanished state. Without any relocation whatsoever, the members of this elite now inhabited territories, far less politically and economically significant, at the periphery of the Prussian, Austrian and Russian empires. While on the whole Jewish income was higher than that of their non-Jewish neighbors, it was nowhere near the levels to which many Jews aspired and felt they could achieve if granted access to the central imperial territories. Jews were subjected to various forms of exclusion and discrimination in all three states, and they felt humiliated.

A typical Jewish intellectual harboring such feelings was Peretz Smolenskin. He was a popular albeit not particularly successful writer. He was ostensibly responding to the pogroms following the targeted assassination of Czar Alexander II by a Jewish-led terror squad (see Followup (II): Origins of Modern Jewry[125]) with the essay “Let us search our Ways”  (1881): 

To our shame and sorrow we must admit that there is no peace and unity among us. We were weak within ­— therefore our strength was little in the day of evil. Would this have happened had we believed in our hearts that the ten million Jewish souls belonged to one nation? Every person in his right senses would reply: No! Why are we treated like this? Because we have sunk so low that our self-respect has died – because we have come to like charity flung at us in disgrace and contempt. (See The Zionist Idea, A Historical Analysis and Reader[126] by Arthur Hertzberg, p. 150.)

Just as the founders of the Dutch or Honorable (British) East India Companies had no inkling that they were founding the Dutch and British Empires (as they were experimenting with the new financial instrument of the joint-stock corporation), Smolenskin shows no obvious consciousness of proposing an Empire for Eastern European Jews as he identifies the territory, manpower, and resources necessary to create a colony: 

[English explorers] have established that the [Land of Israel] is very good and that, if cultivated with skill and diligence, it could support fourteen million people. Even if we assume some exaggeration (though in truth there is none) and that there is room for only half that number, Eretz Israel can nonetheless contain all those who might wish to take refuge there. Not all Jews will go there — only those who are destitute or persecuted will look for a place to which to emigrate. It would be enough if only one million of our brethren would go, for it would be a relief both to them and to those remaining in the lands of the dispersion. (Ibid, p. 152.) 

Our Jewish philanthropists should therefore not tarry, if they really want to help their less fortunate brethren. They should hasten to buy land and let Jews settle on it to begin a new life. We can be sure that money will not be lacking, if only men of sufficient vision can be found to initiate this project in the right spirit, with a desire to help their people. In all countries there exist such Jews, many more than we know of, who strive to help their people with all their might and main. Only one thing is lacking — a united purpose. As soon as we succeed in achieving unity for this great work, fruition will not be long in coming. (Ibid, p. 153.) 

Because of exclusion from governmental or professional employment by law or prejudice, Smolenskin and similar underemployed Jewish intellectuals were available as a pool of organizers for all sorts of political, reformist or radical politics. Members of the then numerically insignificant[xvii] Zionist intelligentsia[xviii] developing in the 1880s would eventually become the original bureaucracy as well as the foreign and colonial office of Judonia that was coming into being. Like any other colonial bureaucracy few seem to have ever had any intention of relocating permanently to the Jewish settlement even if they publicly claimed otherwise.

If Smolenskin and fellow early Zionists showed any conscious realization that wealthy Western Jews had sufficient wealth in aggregate to found a low-budget colonial empire that did not have to distract itself with the maintenance of a physical colonial motherhood, they would count as some of the most astute practical political thinkers of the nineteenth century, but they like most political actors seem to have been sleepwalking through history and could not come up with the right marketing gimmick to shake money out of the pockets of western Jews.

thors, why don't you use your "vast knowledge of Jewish studies" to figure out how not to be an insufferable bore. oh - and disseminator of giant piles of bullshit.

So Thors is an "Ethinic Ashkenazi"? ...so confusing. I don't think you will be able to "save" many Jews from Israel, but you clearly have a lot of time in your hands, so, good luck.

To King Abdullah's credit, he said he wanted an interfaith conference for Jews, Christians and Muslims. In Mecca. The Mufti wanted it to be a proselytizing exercise for Christians and Muslims. No Jews allowed.

I don't carry water for the Saudis, but I think the King is worried that his kingdom will be (rightly) seen as primarily a collection of violent, closed-minded, wild-eyed, fanatical thugs. He wants to do something about that. But the guys who look like refugees from a ZZTop concert won't be satisfied until they turn the clocks back more than a thousand years.