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Is There Any Hope For The UN To Do Good? |
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by Shmuel Rosner, June 9, 2008 |
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In researching Complicity with Evil, Adam LeBor discovered that the three great killing fields of the last decade—Bosnia, Rwanda, and Darfur—were not only ravaged by murderous convulsions (still ongoing in the case of Darfur), but abetted in doing so by the appalling negligence of the United Nations, which sat idle without shutting the killing fields down. LeBor's bleak conclusion is that the UN, at present, is simply incapable of fulfilling its foundational obligation to "save succeeding generations from the scourge of war." Shmuel Rosner, Haaretz's chief U.S. correspondent, has seen his share of war-zones as well, and explores the questions of genocide, the duty to stop evil, and the legitimacy of international institutions with LeBor in the dialogue below.
From: Shmuel Rosner
To: Adam LeBor
Dear Adam,
That is one depressing book.
Complicity with Evil you call it, but it is also complicity with hypocrisy, with
Mass Graves At Srebrenica cynicism. "The United Nations in the age of modern genocide" is an example of complicity with mediocrity. Your book is the story of an institution incapable of doing the one task that is important enough to justify its less than obviously justified existence. A depressing book. I will recommend it to anyone who's still idealistic enough, or naïve enough, or stupid enough, to think that the United Nations has the power of moral authority. Amazingly, I do meet such people from time to time.
This story has been told before in many ways. How the world failed to defend the people of Srebrenica, and the people of Rwanda, and the people of Darfur. Samantha Power, in her masterful work, A Problem From Hell, was pointing at America and asking, essentially, the questions you're asking now. Her work was extraordinary, but I find yours more persuasive in at least one respect. That is, one can claim that America has no duty to stop all evil, and that its policies are justifiably aimed at maximizing American interests. But one can not say the same of the United Nations.
You make this point right at the beginning of this book: "If the United Nations, whose very raison d'être is the maintenance of international peace and security, does not bare some responsibility for failing to stop the slaughters… than who does?"
The power of this book is the way it assembles the details, the everyday decisionsRwanda's Killing Fields that made genocide possible. "Bosnia could not be saved because it was small and mountainous. Darfur cannot be saved because it is large and flat." A couple of months ago, writing for Slate about Darfur, I angered some activists by stating that "The campaign to save Darfur is alive, but it is no longer kicking. You could say that it has achieved all its stated goals: public awareness, international pressure, congressional action, the administration's involvement. Well, all but one: The crisis in Darfur is not yet solved, and the campaign to save Darfur is running out of options."
Sadly, I do not see a reason to change even one word in that paragraph. But after reading your book I now understand even better why this campaign—to save Darfur—was probably doomed to fail before it even started.
When I was interviewing President Bush in mid May at the Oval Office, one of the questions he was asked referred to recent events in Lebanon: "We have in place U.N. resolutions, Security Council resolutions that were meant to deal with the problem of Hezbollah. Nevertheless, it has not seemed to help." Unfortunately, only by translating the President's body language to words can one convey his response. "If you're going to pass a resolution, you better mean it," he said. In the case of Lebanon—a country suffering from the aggression of Hezbollah, but that cannot be compared to a country in which a genocide in taking place—the UN has proved incompetent. In many ways, this incompetence is no different in nature than the ones you describe in your book. The UN is hesitant whenever there's an aggressor involved, whenever there's a threat of violence involved. The UN can only keep the peace in places of—well—relative peace.
But here is the question I have for you, the expert on UN incompetence. It is actually
Remnants Of Darfur a dilemma on which I also wrote in the past. Reading your book, one might conclude that what the world needs is a more vigorous, more determined world body. But I have my doubts, and the reason is simple: I do not believe such body will be more moral—and if I do not trust it to be more moral, why would I want it to be more competent?
Here is the way I framed it, writing to an Israeli audience about the Security Council, Lebanon and Iran:
A powerful and effective Security Council is a double-edged sword. More than once in the past Israel benefited from the fact that the council did not press for the implementation of resolutions less favorable to it. The U.S. administration, which has a complex relation with the UN and its institutions as well, also faces a similar dilemma… Use the Security Council for your needs, but do not seek to make it more powerful than necessary so that it will not turn around and bite you.
So: this will be my question for this first session of our dialogue: Do you want a more efficient UN, or would you prefer a more robust response against genocide from countries like the US, while giving up on this righteous-UN idea once and for all?
Best,
Shmuel
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The Truth about the U.N.
ThorsProvoni
Jewish Genocide Hypocrisy
Monday, March 10, 2008
Monsters: Hillary Clinton, Samantha Power
Takes One to Know One Gerri Peev reports Samantha Power's opinion in Obama aide blurts out attack in Scotsman interview.
Not only do the appetites of the Clintons as well as their groveling before monetary backers have incontrovertibly epic proportions, but Haim Saban as the Hillary campaign's foremost contributor expects top performance from those whom like German Chancellor Angela Merkel he has bought . Samantha Power should recognize kindred spirits, for her willingness to stoop for Washington's worthy genocide establishment is itself a gargantuan phenomenon. In ZNet |Human Rights | Richard Holbrooke, Samantha Power, and the "Worthy-Genocide" Establishment, Edward S. Herman defines "worthy genocide."
Possibly as an example of the general failure of modern American political scientists or policy analysts to take Jewish ethnic politics seriously, Herman subsumes Power's subservience to transnational autonomous Jewish or Zionist political elites to her service on behalf of the Washington establishment.
By omitting Soviet and Zionist Jewish genocides (Stalin's Jews and The Pattern of Ethnic Ashkenazi Genocidalism: The Jewish Century by Yuri Slezkine) from A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide, Power earned her Pulitzer Prize as she followed the trail blazed by Walter Duranty in 1932, for she left intact the Jewish victimology
The following blog entries feature Samantha Power's prostitution on behalf of Zionism and the organized Jewish community:
Michael Star
Nu...?
So, is Jewcy going to take down the previous comment, or have batshit-crazy claims of Israeli "low-intensity genocide" become acceptable discourse in discussions on American policy in the Middle East?
ThorsProvoni
Low Intensity Genocide
I took the phrase from an Haaretz article by Shulamit Aloni.
She described IDF behavior in the OT as retzah am itti.
American Jews need to face, reject, and denounce the crimes committed in their name.
Phil Weiss posted an interesting entry on his blog to discuss the subject: Angry Jew Tells His Parents, Your Alienated, 'Self-Hating,' Pro-Palestinian Children Are Comin' Home. Whoopee!
Joachim Martillo
sapere aude
Anonymous
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Dugard the Dugong
While the UN failures in
While the UN failures in Rwanda, Srebrenica, Darfur are regrettable, they consitutute a secondary mission for the UN. People forget the true mission of the UN, which is spelled out in its full name, the UNAI (United Nations Against Israel). Only when the a final solution to the Jewish problem is accomplished can we devote our time to other matters. My advice to those who feel they have been neglected by us, as above is next time choose your parents more carefully and make sure they are Palestinian, otherwise you will have to wait your turn in the queue
Ignatz
UN Morality
...what the world needs is a more vigorous, more determined world body.
But I have my doubts, and the reason is simple: I do not believe such
body will be more moral—and if I do not trust it to be more moral, why
would I want it to be more competent?
[...] A powerful and effective Security Council is a double-edged sword. More
than once in the past Israel benefited from the fact that the council
did not press for the implementation of resolutions less favorable to
it. The U.S. administration, which has a complex relation with the UN
and its institutions as well, also faces a similar dilemma… Use the
Security Council for your needs, but do not seek to make it more
powerful than necessary so that it will not turn around and bite you.
[...] Do you want a more efficient UN, or would you prefer a more robust
response against genocide from countries like the US, while giving up
on this righteous-UN idea once and for all?
1. As long as we continue to define a "moral" or "righteous" act as one that is in our own interests, we're all up shit creek.
2. The UN was never meant to be "moral" or "righteous". The idea was that international peace was a pragmatic solution - in everybody's best interest. It's a fundamentally pragmatic institution.
3. Because it's set up to be pragmatic, the UN is essentially a process rather than a power. No power resides in the UN itself, only in the member states and the voting blocs that states form amongst themselves. Every policy decision that any branch of the UN makes is always a byproduct of individual states' political goals.
4. The working unit of the UN is the nation state. The UN was set up primarily to try to prevent warfare between states. All the major moral failures of the UN have been where states have turned on their own people or civil war has broken out within states, in other words, problems that the UN was never really designed to address in the first place. Yet everyone still turns to the UN as the forum for solving these internal conflicts. Perhaps the UN is a victim of its own success in pretty much ending international conflict since the end of the second world war (apart from America's little soujourns overseas). Blaming the UN for not dealing properly with these conflicts is like blaming the police for not putting out a fire. We need firemen.
5. On sovereignty: no state has to be a member of the UN if it doesn't want to. Funny thing is, they all want to. Everyone can see that there are great benefits to being part of the global process. To start moaning about loss of sovereignty again is to drag the conversation back 60 years, to a point we have already got past: yes, we all know that every state has a right to its sovereignty, the whole point is that by sacrificing a little you get more security in return. You don't like it, drop out, and the rest of the world won't protect you.
6. The UN as an organization has indeed become corrupt, inefficient and lazy. It has become a marketplace where states trade favors, where every act is politicized. This is the fault of those states who continuously undermine the principles of multilateralism because they cannot accept restrictions on their sovereignty; those states who use the UN process only when it suits them and those who approach the process in bad faith, trying to use every opportunity to further their own strategic goals.
7. Any "moral" or "righteous" anger at the UN's failures should
therefore be more properly directed at these bad faith member states.
There are many, but why not start with the most powerful - the US, the nation that most often asserts its unilateral power, and the Western nation most vocal in its criticism of the UN?
8. The most vociferous critics of UN failures - including the US administration and, sadly, Israel - are, in fact, often those who would most like to see the UN fail, and those who have most helped to weaken and undermine it. It's sickening and hypocritical to then disguise this self-interest with altruistic arguments about the moral failures of others.
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