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John McCain and GOP's Platform Revealed: "Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels, And Hitler!!!11!!!"

 

The Republican party seems to think that the crucial swing voter in this election will be Apollo Braun. How else to explain their decision to abandon anything resembling a traditional political strategy --- including their recent instant classics of fearmongering --- in favor of a months-long extended violation of Godwin's Law at once hysterical in its desperation and overreach, and nearly impenetrably byzantine in its content. Apart from a certain minority of ignorant American Jews afraid of their own shadow, it's difficult to imagine any undecided voters who are on the right wavelength to pick up such rarefied dog-whistling.

George W. Bush has been in Israel this week to take part in 60th anniversaryGeorge Bush: "If my opponents are so smart, how come they're like Hitler? Riddle me that, Harvard."George Bush: "If my opponents are so smart, how come they're like Hitler? Riddle me that, Harvard." celebrations, and had a chance to address the Knesset earlier today. Rather than say anything remotely germane, he decided instead to denounce an unnamed American senator who reacted to the Nazi invasion of Poland by exclaiming, "Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided." The reference was to Sen. William Borah (R - ID), who left office in January 1940. Bush's press flack, Dana Perino, assured the press that any apparent comparison to another senator from a state starting with "I" is purely coincidental; but John McCain (and his pet soothsayer Joe Lieberman, natch) missed the memo about not unveiling veiled slanders. Hence he piled on:

If Senator Obama wants to sit down across the table from the leader of a country that calls Israel a stinking corpse, and comes to New York and says they're gonna, quote, "wipe Israel off the map," what is it that he wants to talk about? What is it that he wants to talk about with him?

Hmm. That is a real poser of a riddle, but let me take a crack at it. Obama would want to talk to Iranian leaders (not necessarily Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who wields very little actual power) about negotiating Iran out of pursuing nuclear weapons, about nuclear non-proliferation generally, the stability of the Iraqi state, a resolution to the Kurdish national question, Lebanese sovereignty, shutting down anti-Iranian and anti-Shiite terrorist networks, opening up the Iranian economy to American goods and vice versa, trade and allocation of petroleum resources, relaxation of infringements of the rights of women and religious minorities, integrating Iran into western political institutions, setting up student exchange programs, and of course, Israeli security.

Part of the reason Obama would talk to Iran about all the foregoing is that George W. Bush --- unlike other American presidents since the fall of the Shah, who found uses for back-channels to Iran other than flipping them off --- has abdicated his responsibility. Bush's grounds for his foreign policy malfeasance is his belief that it's futile at best, Chamberlinian appeasement at worst, to talk to "terrorists and radicals" (note the elision of an important distinction) unless you can "persuade them they have been wrong all along." Which is a nice encapsulation of many of Bush and McCain's strategic blinders. It is possible to talk productively with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (or the actual leadership of Iran) --- for example, by negotiating a framework for Iraqi stability --- without convincing him that Israel is not, in fact, a stinking corpse. It's even possible to talk to Iran about curtailing their support of Hezbollah --- say, by offering something in return, perhaps something that could be revoked if the Iranians break the agreement --- without deciding one way or another whether Israel is a stinking corpse. Believe it or not, it's even possible to conduct diplomacy with Iran without giving away the Sudetenland.

Sure, it may sound nuts, or worse, like Chamberlain, to conceive of diplomacy as an exercise in anything other than demanding that other states bow to our will or else, but hey, since that approach hasn't worked out perfectly, maybe we should roll the dice.

Not if McCain has his way. Negotiations with Iran, he claims, entail "enhanc[ing] the prestige of a nation that's a sponsor of terrorists and is directly responsible for the deaths of brave young Americans"; so arguing for such negotiations demonstrates a lack of "the knowledge, the experience, the background to make the kind of judgments that are necessary to preserve this nation's security."

So at least we know what strategic concept is McCain's top priority --- prestige --- but it's a concept unlike anything recognizable in the history of political or diplomatic history. It has nothing to do with the GDP of Iran, nothing to do with its International Red Cross, Human Rights Watch, or Freedom House ratings, nothing to do with the esteem in which anyone on earth holds Iran, nothing to do with its technological capabilities, and nothing to do with its military, political, and economic power. It can't have anything to do with any of them, since talking to Iranian leaders can't enhance any of them.

Still, we should probably trust in John McCain's knowledge, experience, background, and most importantly, his direct access to the Platonic form of prestige. After all, if pre-empting any enhancement of Iran's prestige weren't a matter of existential importance, then John McCain's monomaniacal pursuit of policies guaranteed to augment Iran's actual power and diplomatic clout, let alone his fatuous comparisons of anyone who stands in his way to Neville Chamberlain, would be alarming, inexcusable, and disgraceful, and probably render him unfit for the presidency.



 

naftali


EU, UN

Haven't they been conducting talks going on, what, three years with Iran to get them to do all of the things you mentioned? Those talks haven't done anything positive.

I think Bush's point is what are you going to tell them that they haven't been told before? What new thing will you bring to the table?

Iran has made its decision, and the re-arming of Hezbollah is part of that, as well as the de facto defeat of the Lebanese army, which now leaves Hezbollah a completely free hand to pull the governmental strings--without actually running the government. They've learned from the mistakes of Hamas' takeover of Gaza--also part of the Iranian strategy, the takeover of Gaza. I only say this because their arms and explosives keep showing up in Gaza, Lebanon, and Iraq.

So, what new thing can you bring to the table? What is the argument that will get Iran to change its course, and stop its nuclear weapons program?

You also might want to reread McCain's quote, because it is not about prestige, although prestige was a word in the statement. It is about recognizing that Iran is at war with the US--which is a word commonly used when one country is killing the soldiers of another country by direct or indirect means.





kid blast


Joseph P. Kennedy, 1938

It is possible to talk productively with Adolf Hitler (or Hermann Goering, the actual leader of Germany) --- for example, by negotiating a framework for Alsace-Lorraine stability --- without convincing him that Jews are not in fact subhuman vermin. It's even possible to talk to Germany about curtailing their support of fascist Italy --- say, by offering something in return, perhaps something that could be revoked if the Germans break the agreement --- without deciding one way or another whether Jews are subhuman vermin. Believe it or not, it's even possible to conduct diplomacy with Germany without giving away Venetia.





Daniel Koffler


Almost

Ya almost got me. Except:

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ≠ Adolf Hitler

Iran<sub>2008</sub> ≠ Germany<sub>1938</sub>

And a few dozen other disanalogies, but otherwise, this is solid. 





naftali


Daniel, I Hope You're Right

But you could be wrong.





kid blast


Since Hitler does not

Since Hitler does not equal Ahmadinejad, perhaps DK can explain which of them is/was not a head of state furiously and fundamentally dedicated to the eradication of all Jewish people in his sphere of influence. Which of them likewise is/was not dedicated to an irrational and romantic militarism honed if not forged during his early adulthood participation in a chauvanistic armed struggle against foreign enemies who had enervated his formerly pure and righteous volk/umma? Which of them does/did not believe that his own success portends greater things to come for his volk/umma, and that his seat of power should provide leadership for, and is owed the allegiance of, his volk/umma in his near abroad. And which of these men does/did not think the United States is a mongrel nation ultimately unable and unwilling to fight to the last on behalf of what it believes in, if in fact it believes in anything at all? 

Likewise, since Iran '08 does not equal Germany '38, perhaps DK can explain which is not a potential regional economic powerhouse flexing new found military muscle in its near abroad two decades (roughly) after a long,  debilitating war had ended at best inconclusively? Perhaps DK can likewise explain which regime has not mythologized the nation's lack of success in that struggle by scapegoating perfidious Jewry? And which nation has not sent its agents into, or directly subsidized the efforts of local sympathizers in, struggles abroad wherein it mastered/is mastering the latest military tactics, techniques, and procedures? And finally, which between Nazi Germany and the Islamic Republic does not have a glittering wake of apologists, advertisers, and eventually appeasers in what is charitably called Western Civilization to help smooth its plans for the unpardonable?

 





kid blast


As for other disanalogies,

As for other disanalogies, DK's right about at least one: he's no Joe Kennedy.





Daniel Koffler


wow

Just, wow. Doubling down on Iran = Germany. Ok. Can we get a chromosome count?

 





kid blast


Explanation? No. Insult?

Explanation? No. Insult? Yes.

 It's true that comparisons can be stretched too far, but mine above highlights why this particular comparison is not slack, and thus should not be dismissed- or wished away.

 





Daniel Koffler


Unnecessary because

Unnecessary because self-evident. Well-earned. 

Yes they can, no it doesn't, yes it should, doesn't need to be.





kid blast


At this point, what's

At this point, what's self-evident is DK knows very little about either Nazi Germany or the Islamic Republic.

 





Daniel Koffler


Wanna see which one of us

Wanna see which one of us knows more? I'll kick things off by translating the historical evidence from the German and Persian.

 





kid blast


Go for it, superstar.

Go for it, superstar.





Daniel Koffler


Kos kesh, as they say in

Kos kesh, as they say in Yazd.



kid blast


Schwacher und getauschter

Schwacher und getauschter dummkopf, 

as they said at Munich. 





Daniel Koffler


Ah, Kindschwall

Presumably they'd have known their own language.





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