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Are American Jews Authentic Americans, Or Posers, Or Pretenders?

 

To: David Samuels
From: Shmuel Rosner

Dear David,

Thank you for your explanation. My impression is that this could become a long and detailed dialogue about the nature of journalism, literature and all things in between, but I'm really not sure Jewcy's the right venue for such discussion.

However, after reading your comments, I think we stand to benefit from summarizing the differences between our respective approaches to our journalistic work. While I think my job is to make the world more orderly and understandable for readers, to try and overcome the chaos, your work does the exact opposite: You meddle with your readers' minds and make them more confused.

The American Melting Pot: Where do Jews fit?The American Melting Pot: Where do Jews fit? Having said that, I'm a little confused now myself: Is what you say in your letter is what you really think or just one of your mind-games? You write a lot of things (that's one lengthy letter, why do they tell me to write up to 800 words, and let you go crazy with a 1300 words - I wonder), but do you really mean them? I'll take a chance here, and assume that you do. So let's make this our topic of discussion for today:

If Americans are self-made people who embrace an imagined future in order to escape the burdens of the past, American Jews seek to have their cake and eat it too by embracing the future-oriented American idea without relinquishing their historically bound identity as Jews.

This, you imply, is the reason that "the themes of double-ness, lying and imposture have a special significance" for you "as an American Jewish writer." And these qualities are self-evidently vicious: Lying isn't be good, trying to have a cake and eat it too is what our mothers warned us not to do. But therein lies your irony. You go on to say that such characteristics "can be the source of a tremendous amount of creative tension." Which is a good thing, isn't it?

Basically, what you're up to is blaming American Jews for misleading their fellow-citizens, their communities, their friends: pretending to be aligned with American society while they really aren't. This is a serious charge, with potentially grave consequences --- a charge that shouldn't be made lightly just for the sake of toying with outrageous ideas. And I must say I am not yet convinced about your motives (if you haven't noticed, I'm the self-appointed responsible adult in this crowded neighborhood of rogue writers).

So the question arises: Is this accusatory description of American Jewry even accurate? Many American Jews whom I know --- who take the trouble to constantly marvel at the extent to which they are an integral part of the great American melting pot --- might dispute your narrative. And they might be even right. They see a tolerant society that can put up with the cultural and religious differences inherent in so many groups playing a part in it. They see an influential group overcoming the difficulties of being a true American minority while preserving its distinctiveness and uniqueness. This, they will say, is not "lying" or "posturing," but rather living a complicated and rich life in this shining city on the hill.

You want to ruin this for them, and one has to ask oneself why. What's bothering you?

"Life Is Full Of Important Choices" is the name of an article you published in the second book you've just released, Only Love Can Break Your Heart, a collection of articles you wrote for all sorts of magazines. Supposedly, the piece is about 9/11; it takes time for the reader to realize that as most of it is dedicated to, well, David Samuel's life. And too some degree, this old article of yours pulls the rug out from under the argument you made in your letter to me:

No one could dispute how beautiful Brooklyn was less than one year later, the summer after the towers fell. It was as if the ashes from the tower had fertilized our neighborhood. The local population of stoop-sitters, myself included, were the recipients of an unexpected bounty.

Can't this description of your Brooklyn count as proof that this joint venture of Americanness is no mirage, but rather the daily reality of "worshippers at the Mosque," and of your wife's mother who "called to tell us that Jesus Christ offered the only pathway to salvation," and of "Virginia and I" who "lit the Sabbath candles together, and said our blessings over the wine"?

"What is happening?", Virginia repeated as we stared at the picture on the television screen of the towers falling, one after the other. We went to the hardware store and bought white paper masks so we could safely breath, and then we went down to the Promenade, where my father used to take me to look at the cargo ships. We stood in the crowd of onlookers and watched the black cloud cross over the river.

Thus you, with your candles, and your decision to "not eat pork," were an integral part of an American tragedy. Not as a pretender, but as a participant. I'm no American, but it seems to me that your behavior that day, and the days following, is anything but part of an "ungracious refusal of large numbers of American Jews to buy into the full weirdness and wonder and scariness of the American idea."

It is your American-Jewish weirdness, your American-Jewish scariness --- that is the American idea.

Best,
Rosner



 

Jo Ellen Green ...


Creating an American Judaism

I side with Shmuel. American Jews are American.. and Jewish. In fact, Shaul Magid, in Zeek at Jewcy (www.jewcy.com/zeek), has argued that we are developing a whole new way of being Jewish here in America. I agree with him.

 Jo Ellen Green Kaiser

Editor, Zeek Magazine





Yaakov


nothing new

We're not the first Jews to wrestle with these issues. The Jews of golden age Spain probably felt the same. For hundreds of years they were Spanish and Jewish. 





ChevyNazi


American Jews...

Are clearly American, and in some ways MORE American than many other ancestral groups here in the USA.

The first group of Jewish immigrants to the shores American arrived in 1654. Jews have fought in all of America's wars since 1776 to the present. They've made numerous contributions in education, medicine, science, business, labor, technology, arts, and politics.

The bottom line is that Jewish people are as much a part of the fabric of America as any other ethnicity!





Trey Cruz


Nothing new.........indeed

 Anyone who accepts the concept, or the reality of "dual citizenship"  [with Israel.....remember?]  Is no American





Naomi Ragen


  It has been four years

 
It has been four years since the murder of Tali Hatuel and her
daughters. On May 2, 2004, Tali Hatuel, 34, and her daughters -
Hila, 11, Hadar, 9, Roni, 7, and Merav, 2 - from Moshav Katif in
Gush Katif - were on their way to campaign against Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon's disengagement plan. Their white Citroen station
wagon spun off the road after the initial shooting, and then the
attackers approached the vehicle, killing the pregnant woman and
children at close range and in cold blood. The Hatuels' car was
riddled with bullets, and the carpet inside was stained with
blood. The girls were killed hugging one another. On the car was
a bumper sticker saying, "Uprooting the settlements, victory for
terror."

David Hatuel made the decision to remarry. God has blessed him
with a daughter. He devotes his time to education.

We cannot give into our enemies desire to annihilate our people,
our faith, our culture and our history. We cannot give in to
their phony rewriting of their barbarous history. The way to
peace is through a recognition of what really happened here, and
who is really responsible. We cannot allow the wind to blow sand
over the blood of this woman and these small children. We have no
right to forgive, and we have an obligation to remember, and not
to forget. From the same sandy stretches that once held
hothouses and a thriving Jewish life, now comes rockets and
missiles fired by hate-filled terrorists that kill and maim more
Israeli families. Please remember. View the videos below and
pass this message on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPnyGCoeIXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhQ_JTDbgls 
 
 





ARTH


No Different than Any Other Ethnic Group

Rosner writes:

"American Jews seek to have their cake and eat it too by embracing the future-oriented American idea without relinquishing their historically bound identity as Jews."

This is no different than any other ethnic group in the United States such as the Irish, the Blacks, the Italians etc.  There is nothing uniquely Jewish about this phenomina in the United States.   It is acceptable for all ethnic groups to engage their heritage on any terms which they would like while at the same time identifying with the American ideal and nation.

One of the false dichotomies involved in the discussion about Jews in the United States is the notion that there is a particular American nation in which the Jews have integrated.  This is not the case since the American Indians, the actual rooted-in-the-land  peoples, "Goyyim" in the classical Platonic sense of the term, were displaced, massacred, and evacuated from their ancestrial lands and robbed of their identity.  That means that all Americans are desendants of either immigrants or slaves.  That means that Jews are not an outside group within a rooted, ancient, peoples but rather one of many ethnic groups who have contributed and constructed the American people.  If one excludes Jews, there is no "American" nation in the sense that there is a French Nation or a German Nation or a Danish Nation.  There remains a mix of other ethnic groups, descendants of immigrants who now identify as "Americans."

The fact is that many Israelis envy the American Jews and lament their accidental fate as Israelis.  Many Israelis dream about emigrating to the United States and many of these  many actually do it.  Before the likes of Rosner critique Jews in the United States, they should acknowlege the fact that Israel is hardly attractive to the the Israeli Jews themselve.  In the case of Rosner, he is having his cake and eatng it as well since he lives in the United States while simultaneously exholing the virture of Israel.  Let's see if he actually returns to Israel or if he follows the path of former HaAretz Washington correspondence Yoav Karni and pursues bigger and better opportunities in the United States, the land-of-opportunity for so many ambitious and/or opportunistic Israelis.





Trey Cruz


Is there a jew alive on this

Is there a jew alive on this planet that doesn't speak in non stop agit-prop horseshit?





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