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by frumsatire, May 7, 2008
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So these days there has been lots of talk about labels within
Judaism, just last night I was talking to my aunt who was saying that I
should go out with girls from this and that kind of schools because you
cant get a yeshivish but you also don’t want too modern. So with that
continues the saga of the labeling. How far can we go with the labels?
I know many people hate them, but with more and more people
intermarrying and such I guess it may be necessary, also the frummer
people get or think they are getting, the more people need to classify
everyone who is less frum than they are. I have decided to compile a
list of the general and not so general ways to put people into boxes.
If you have any others please feel free to send em over and I will add
them to the list. I will start with the general terms.
Charedi- You are clutching a stone in your hand
while screaming shabbos at the top of your lungs on shimon hatzadik
street at kikar shabbos. The first movie you saw was ushpizim, your
bakery has separate lines for men and women. The women in Saudi Arabia
are treated better then in your neighborhood. You cross the street and
avoiud eye contact with any women. You have friends that are part of
the Niturei Carta. You think all gays should be burned at the stake.
Boro Park and Lakewood is for the modern orthodox.
Chasidish- Tucked neatly under your fury
Shtreimel is one of those yarmulkes that is of the bright black velvet
genre. Your peyos are a source of amusement as you twiril them behind
the counter at B&H. You like driving Acura MDX and Suburbans or 15
seater vans. 21 children does not make you cringe, it brings fond
memories of going with your folks to get brachos from the Skverer
Rebbe. Goyishe anything is shtus. And you wouldn’t go to a hotel unless
they had Chasidishe Shchita. The girls tend to wear black and grey
suits while the boys in the traditional garb. You never talk to women
or look them in the eye. And your kids stare at non- Jews or
non-chasidim when they get closer then 50 feet. Your wife wears a
shietle and a hat or one of those stinking turbans. The hamodia is your
only source of news besides occasionally listening to Rush Limbaugh.
Modern Chasidish- You have a blog and a frumster
account and regularly check up on your yeshivish friends on only
simchas who are getting married. You secretly have the internet and let
your children see Lipa Shmeltzer movies once in a while. TV is still
assur even though you have one behind the mirror in your bedroom that
you smuggled into your house in an air conditioner box. You don’t cross
the street when you see women and sometimes may look them in the eye if
it’s for business. You drive the same cars as other Chasidim but
secretly long for a sports car. Your wife may own a real sheitle and
not always wear those stupid looking hats, she might even let her hair
grow in a little bit.
Flexidish- You post ads on craigslist looking for
other Chasidism to partake in a gang bang or for frum married women
looking for same. You have a blog devoted to bashing Chasidim but, you
retain your identity through your garb as one of them. You go to strip
clubs, you cheat in money matters, you know every free porn site on the
net. You have the internet, you have a TV and you watch movies. You may
even eat non chasidishe shechite like or gasp Lubavitch shechite. You
do not keep kosher or shabbos but still consider yourself frum since
you have the look!
Yeshivish Black Hat- You wear a black hat, black
velvet yarmulke and love restaurants like Chop and Nosh and Dougies.
You tend to go to the country in the summer other wise known as the
Catskills and if you are a girl you are only attracted to guys who wear
black hats and black velvet yarmulke’s. Siyum Hashas is like the super
bowl for you and Pesach in Miami is for Apicorsim. You tend not to have
a television and sometimes go to movies if its Ushpizim or something of
the sort. You don’t let your children talk to girls and if the wear red
skirts or suede yarmulkes you think they are going off the derech. You
only sit in the separate section for concerts. You ask potential
shidduch’s for your children if they stack or scrape and if they voted
for Bush or not. Your children will go to college only if it is Touro.
Yeshivish Modern- Your children all received
black hats at their bar mitzvahs but rarely wear them anymore besides
when they come home from their year in Israel for the first few months.
TV without cable is allowed and some movies as long as they are PG. You
are most likely associated with Chofetz Chaim and your kids at one
point in their lives attended Camps Sternberg or Mogane Av or Dorah
Golding or maybe Romimu. Your children go to movies without your
permission and all have Ipods with non-Jewish music. You probably turn
on the oldies station when your kids are not in the car and know every
song by heart. Your kids grow up listening to the marvelous midos
machine, 613 torah avenue and uncle Moshe. You sit in the family
section at concerts. Your children all had peyos when they were younger
but at 13 cut them off. Your children attend a school that allows
striped or even blue shirts and your husband wears a baseball cap in
the summer with a polo shirt. Your kids will go to Queens or Brooklyn
College maybe Touro but YU is out of the question. You may read the
Jewish press but the Yated is your choice of news.
Modern Orthodox Black Hat: (yeshiva wannabes)
You may wear a black hat and send your kids to yeshiva, but you would
be considered modern by any real standards. Your kids all go to
college, even YU the ultimate desecration to a child according to real
yeshiva’s. 3 TV’s all with cable and dvd players sit publicly in your
home as well as a high speed internet connection. On shabbos you don
your hat and go to one of those basement shulls- where you only see the
people there on shabbos. The boys in your family tend to go to more
yeshivish schools then the girls, Sharei Torah, Yisodei, Chofetz Chaim
and the girls probably attend Bruriah or Shulamis. Going to movies is
fine and your kids are the only ones at your shull who are allowed to
talk to the opposite sex. You try and fit into the yeshivish circles by
telling people about how hardcore your parents were and what yeshivas
they went to as well as using words like dafka, shayich, nisrynos and
nishka freilich in your daily speech so you sound frummer than you are.
Usually the father of the house states that his family is yeshivish
while everyone else in the family realizes they aren’t. That set of old
tattered shas surrounding the big flat screen aint fooling nobody
Modern Orthodox Machmir- You came home from your
year in Israel wearing a black hat and your folks were scared. You go
to YU, and was an NCSY advisor growing up. The only Jewish music you
listen to is Blue Fringe, Soulfarm, Hadag Nachash, and Matisyahu. You
are addicted to only simchas, and have an account on frumster, future
simchas, and saw you at Sinai. Visiting Shadchuns is only for frummies.
You will probably marry someone from YU or Stern and move to Washington
heights or Teanack. You probably went to a coed camp like moshava, or
morasha or mesorah. Your parents are probably less frum then you are.
You will see movies and definitely own a TV, you tend to go to bars
only if it’s a Jewish event. You read the Jewish press and Blueprint,
and are a huge Harry Potter fan. You saw Borat because everyone else
did. You went on birthright and claim to be in a shomer negia
relationship. Actually all modern ortho machmir types ever talk about
is whether or not they are “shomer”. This is also the largest category
on frumster so maybe you are only in it for marketing purposes. You
tend to live in places like Silver Springs, the north in Toronto,
Teanack, Washington heights and Cederhurst.
Modern Orthodox Liberal- You tend to wear pants,
not plan on covering your hair and the mikvah sounds like a nightmare.
Guys tend to wear baseball caps and no set type of yarmulke. You
commonly refer to yourself as open minded. Kosher in the house, but in
Cancun you may be hungry and eat a tuna sandwich or salad out. Tznius
is un-womanly, and prohibitive in your mind. There is absolutely
nothing wrong with all sorts of entertainment live and un-live. Even a
bachelor party with strippers is fine. Jewish music makes your grind
your teeth and a mechitza at a wedding pisses you off, mixed dancing
tends to be ok. But this is a big category so no making judgments. You
tend to be democrats and bush haters. You went to an Ivy league school
and went on to persue your masters. You went to any number of schools
for high school. Ramaz, local coed Hebrew academy, Yeshiva Flatbush,
Frisch, of which you consider to be yeshiva. Tefilin dates are not
unheard of, and you call the upper Westside home if you are single.
Rabbi Berman and Avi Weiss are your halachic authorities and many a
time you will banish certain things as being for the ultra-orthodox.
You read the Jewish Week and hang out in Barnes and Nobles on Friday
night after dinner. Shull on shabbos is normal but other days is
another story.
Lubavitch (non-yechi)- Crushed hats and dirty
bekishes are all the rage as are having your tzivos HaShem yarmulkes.
You tend to wear brown, red or navy blue velvet yarmulke’s. You live in
crown heights. You tend to know dvar torahs that talk about gematria’s
and random Baal Shemtov stories. You can drink Smirnoff by the gallon,
and a fabrengen is your version of a frat party. The girls tend to be
good looking in shape and dress the least tznius out of all the frummy
sects. Red is allowed and those leather hooker boots are in seen when
looking up at the women on the upper level in front of 770. Meshichism
is not talked about much but you recognize the Rebbe is gone and pray
for moshiach. Matisyahu is your role model and Aish Discovery is the
work of the devil. You have cousins and siblings in every country and
state and are related to half of crown heights.
Lubavitch (Meshichist)- The same as above including
this. You are nuts and know it. You tend to be one of those guys who
yells all day long in 770 screaming yechi with no breaks. You think the
Ohel is just another chabbad house. You tend to resemble an elvis
impersonator with your actions. You are obviously unemployed or smoke
too much crack. You sing yechi like it’s the national anthem. Your
children wear yarmulkes that have yechi written across it. You will not
daven upstairs by the Rebbe’s study because you will beaten up if you
do. Oh and the girls are still hot and untznius.
Lubavitch Modern:
By roots you are Lubavitch, but by externals you look like a normal
modern orthodox family. No messy beards, no crushed hats, the men may
even wear ties on shabbos. You may either be a meshichist or not, you
tend to do everything in terms of movies, concerts, TV and other forms
of entertainment. The women in the family usually cover their hair with
scarves and other funky but frum items. College and careers are the way
to go, no shluchim in this family. Old habits are hard to break, when
you go to a Lubavitch shull you wear an old crushed hat and immediately
morph into the messy Lubab you once were. Instinctively in any shull
you look for that old trusty Tehilat Hashem siddur and you hum “al
teera” at the end of davening even though most shulls don’t say it, you
even try and force the congregation to sing shabbos musaf kedusha to
the traditional “vehu yigalenu” tune. You may hide your identity when
meeting a fellow Lubab and at any moment you feel like playing Jewish
geography you can bust it out again.
Carlebachian- Dreads, long hair, nose rings, 420,
learning kabbalah and anything Breslov, moshav moddiin, The Dead,
Moshav Band, long flowy flower dresses, no makeup, big white wrap
around pants, tichalis in your tzitzis, rainbow yarmulkes, tapestries
adorn your walls and your succah. Spiritual and crazy at the same time.
You tend to want to live in Israel, Boulder- Colorado or
Sedona-Arizona. Things like Rainbow gatherings, burning man festival,
phish shows, and the gefilte fish crew make your stomach warm and
fuzzy. You tend to be from modern orthodox homes and somehow in Israel
wind up spending a shabbos in Bat Ayin or Mashav Modiin and you are
love stricken with all the dread locks and free weed and learning of
chassidus. You tend to be a cross between a Breslover and a Lubavitcher
with a little Alan Ginsburg thrown in the mix. You tend to keep halacha
mostly besides hugging the opposite sex and drugs.
Shomer Mitzvot- This one’s on frumster and as far
as I can tell it is basically people who are frum but don’t like that
term. I would figure shomer mitzvoth would be the frummest of them all.
Keeping halacha with out all the BS, kind of like orange juice without
the pulp.
Conservadox- You are conservative but do not
support the recent decision to ordain gay rabbis. You keep a kosher
home, you eat Hebrew National, you probably eat milk and veggie out of
the house. Your shull has no mechitza but every one sits separately.
You speak Yiddish and half a bunch of orthodox relatives. You grew up
religious but drifted away. Your children will probably intermarry and
will either love or hate you and your old school ways. You vote
Democratic unless you are from the south. You look at the ingredients
to decide if its kosher. Ratners and 2nd avenue deli bring back fond
childhood memories.
Flexidox- One week you are frum the next you are
seen at McDonalds eating a cheeseburger. You were one of those kids who
was labeled as a kid at risk by the 1996 Jewish Observer article. You
used to be a big fan of Metallica and hang out on avenue J in Flatbush
trying to pick up girls. You have your highs and lows, you may attend
those shmuzim given by Rabbi Shafier from theshmuz.com to get inspired.
You tend to have only Jewish friends and go to Jewish parties. Kosher
meat is anything with split hooves and chewing of cud. Keeping kosher
is hard in New York for you. Modern orthodoxy is against the way you
were brought up. You are a product of priority one and Niveh or Ner
Jake. Oxy cotton and zanax are all the rage. You play a lot of online
poker and tend to download tons of movies.
612 Mitzvahdox 612er for short– You are frum, you
go to shachris, you learn every day bchavrusa, and you keep 100%
kosher. You tend to wear a yarmulke wherever you go and rarely watch
movies or TV. You just can’t give up sexual contact with the opposite
sex. You love sex and you have tons of it. I know tons of people like
this by the way. They are frum yidden besides for active sex lives. You
know tefilin dates. What’s a guy/girl to do?
Athiestadox- Jews who do everything with regards to
frumkeit but have absolutely no belief in what they are doing. It is
either done for routine, you know like without tzitzis on it just
doesn’t feel right. Or it is done because they live in a frum community
and don’t want to leave. Free shabbos meals and good food is one reason
I can think of. Maybe Jewish booty turns them on or maybe they were
brought up like this and have no head for perusing the truth with
regards to what makes them happy.
Ruraldox- The closest orthodox shull is 100 miles a
way so you attend the Reform Temple, until Chabad can move to your
town. The mikvah is a secret swimming home under a bridge, and closest
thing to kosher meat is extra firm tofu. You have never met another
orthodox kid your age until you went to Israel. You had no idea that
there were Jewish schools. You love the way bacon smells when being
fried up. A double barrel shotgun evokes memories of your first trap
shoot. You only wore your yarmulke once inside the temple and never
told anyone you were Jewish. You have no Jewish friends, and the temple
had services only twice a month. The closest thing to Chanukah you have
seen in a store were menorah Christmas ornaments.
Kahanadox- You tend be a proud mizrachi, taking p
space in a yeshuv or in Passaic and you carry your machine gun to shull
ready to mow down any Arabs that get in your way. Your nickname may be
the exterminator and it has nothing to do with working as an Orkin man.
You say hallel on Yom Haatzmout and on the day Rabin was assassinated.
Your hero is Baruch Goldstein and you support Bush as long as he keeps
up to date on his “crusade”. You are a religious Zionist and proud of
it. You children’s names all end with “ah” for the boys and “et” for
the girls (Yonah, or Ayelet).
Femidox- You proclaim yourself as orthodox but cant
stand the men having mitzvos that you do not, after all you want to be
as frum as possible. All women’s megillah readings, your own mezumins
and wearing tefilin and talis is your thing. Yarmulkes are not
necessary since you are already wearing a sheitle, but you wear tefilin
because Rashi’s daughters wore them, while you learn gemara just
because. You feel that mechitza’s are demeaning but know inside that
halacha prevails. The girls in the family always sing at shabbos lunch.
Kol Isha does not apply to you because if it’s a duet you cannot
discern the voices. Rabbi Avi Weiss is your hero as well as Shmuely
Boteach.
Issurdox- Everything is strict in your house. You
check your lettuce under a lamp with a magnifying glass. Your gasoline
has to be kosher for pesach. You dont eat matzo on Pesach except for
the first night because it may become gebrokts in your mouth. A kosher
home has to have a Pesach kitchen. The internet is for non-believers
and heretics. TV is strictly forbidden and you cross the street when
passing by an electronics store. Whatever the problem you always go
lichatchila or machmir. You shecht your own chickens ever since the
Monsey fiasco. Red is strictly forbidden as is anything that makes a
woman appear to have breasts or body parts at all. There is no such
thing as cholov stam. Sit ins are the only way your kids will marry.
Your shull has no mechitza, just a slot for the women in the front row
to see down through the cieling onto the bima. Your weddings have
seperate buildings for men and women. You find the Hamodia to be too
liberal since they have ads of things that write their websites.
Veganox- Yom Kippur is your favorite holiday
because there is no mitzvah to eat meat or fish and you cannot wear
leather. You have gotten a heter to wear synthetic tefilin straps. You
make a mean gefilte tofu. Your cholent is really just soy chilli. For
kapporos you use a rubber ducky or a duck decoy- that you unfortunately
have to buy in a hunting store. You fully agreed with PETA when they
caqme out with the report on Rubashkins. Shavuos is a soy milk holiday
for you. While people argue about politics in shull you argue about
karbunos and what a vegan cohen gadol is supposed to do. You have
different stories for every type of Jew when they ask you how you
became a veggetarian- because most Jews do not know what a vegan is.
Most people think you are crazy- and sometimes while shmoozing at a
kick ass smoargasboard you wonder it yourself.
Homodox
You admire Isaac Mizrahi, You have no intention of marriage. For a
bachelor, you have a really clean apartment! You admire “Rabbi” Steve
Goldstein. Your favorite film is “Trembling Before G-D” You’re having
an online betting on when YCT will follow JTS’s lead and become
inclusive to gays. Your favorite director is Eytan Fox. You took your
mother to “Fiddler on the Roof” on Broadway because you admire Harvey
Fierstein. You were disappointed he played Tevye, not Goldie. You place
ads on craigslist looking for “hot YU guys” and you know how to cook
and talk about wine. You love queer eye for the straight guy and wish
that sex in the city was with guy characters.
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MaxKohanzad
and i thought i had way too
and i thought i had way too much time on my hands!? you've missed out a few but overall your obviously frum - maybe i need to find myself a frum sense of humour? because this is just a little borring. But then again, Frummers seems to be a borring bunch. It's something about the culture the eduction, the formation of ideas, the priorities, that makes it really suck. No matter how cool Judaism and some jewish texts actually are - they seem to be the exception to the rule. the reason why frum satire isn't funny is because it's just not insightful or critical enough to make any real point.
Anonymous
Everybody can't be above average, right?
Judaism is cool, Jewish texts are cool, but people, in general, most of them, are ordinary. The more imaginitive cultures may have more scintillation and spark, but the long-term results are not as good. Being a light unto the nations is work. It is not a hobby.
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