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Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Through Song |
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| An interview with Gabriel Meyer | ||
by Roi Ben-Yehuda, April 3, 2008 |
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For the last seven years
musicians Gabriel Meyer and peace activist Elias Jabbour have been doing what politicians
have repeatedly failed to do: bringing Jews and Arabs together in the spirit of
reconciliation and peace. They do
this through the Sulha Peace Project ---
a coexistence endeavor based on the indigenous Middle Eastern tradition
of mediation and conflict resolution, Sulha.
The Sulha Peace Project consists in a large annual gathering that features three days of dialogue,
shared meals, traditional art, music, and inter-faith rituals. Beginning with 150 people in the
troubled days of the second intifadah,
the event has grown to host over 5000 participants at a time. In addition to
the annual occasion, the Sulha Peace Project also provides Israeli and
Palestinian youth a rare opportunity to gather together, exchange narratives
and ideas, and prepare to be tomorrow’s peacemakers.
Gabriel MeyerThe Sulha initiative has been
lauded by the likes of the Dalai Lama and Desmond Tutu as a significant and
fundamental contribution to peace in the Middle East. Based on the idea that true
peace must be built from the ground up, through the people and traditions that
make up the landscape of the conflict, the Sulha Peace Project is paving the
way for a new reality in the Middle East.
Recently, I had a chance to talk to Gabriel Meyer (son of the late prominent Conservative Rabbi Marshall Meyer) about the organization he co-founded, the difficulties inherent in the making peace, and the role of religion in peacemaking.
What is the goal of the Sulha
Project?
The main goal of the Sulha Peace
Project is to build trust between Palestinians and Israelis, prepare the two
people for peace, and complement the diplomatic efforts, beyond a specific
political agenda, stereotypes, cynicism and despair. We are a grassroots effort
for peace and one of our purposes is healing, to make the Middle East and the
Holy Land of the Prophets, reach its full potential of hospitality, justice,
compassion, beauty and creativity.
What is the process by which
forgiveness and peace between enemies takes place?
The first condition is trust.
Without trust, there can’t be reconciliation. The main thing is to create an atmosphere where people can
listen to the claims, pains, and hopes of each other. If you can realize that the other is a human being, then
there is a big field of trust that is created and anything can be achieved.
There are so many stereotypes that need to be overcome, not least of which is
the reality generated by the media. We are trying to manifest and create a new
type of reality. An alternative
reality that goes beyond all that is put out by the media and daily news.
What is most challenging about
the process of reconciliation?
Most challenging is that we are
being bombarded by the media with bad news all the time. The media is painting a situation of
constant war and suffering. Little
attention is given to more positive efforts at coexistence created by people
who are exhausted with war. This
leads to large-scale despair, cynicism, and fatigue. So I would say that overcoming the negative impact of the
media on people’s consciousness, not taking responsibility and handing over the perception of reality to media and politicians represents one of the biggest challenges to
reconciliation.
Does the Sulha project champion
any political formula to end the conflict? For example, one-state, two-state, or no-state solution?
That is not our job. We complement the diplomatic effort. We do not try to come up with a political blue print for a solution. We are working on creating trust. There are enough people who are creating solutions. They have the plans. Our work is to prepare the people so that when someone does sign a successful treaty there will be people to support it.
Music plays a really important
role in the Sulha project. Can you
speak to role of music in peace making?
I am a musician originally. I use music constantly as a tool to
create sacred space from which to build trust between people. Music and the arts in general are a
great means of transformation and healing. Music can reach the ears, minds, and
hearts of people in a way that words often fail to do. Whenever you come to a place and hear music that is
familiar, music that you heard your grandmother sing, you feel different. When that music is being played by
people who are supposed to be your enemy, then it is even more profound. This
is how I met many Palestinians and Arabs.
I started singing songs from their culture, not mine. It was a real shock which broke the
distrust --- all of sudden I am singing La illah illa la (There is no God
but God in Arabic), and my Muslims partner breaks and thinks to himself “he can’t
be so bad.”
Many people see religion as an
inflexible force that perpetuates the conflict between the Arabs and the Jews,
yet at the Sulha Peace Project religion is harnessed as a force for peace and
unity. Can you speak to the use of
religion as an instrument for peace?
There a saying in Hebrew: hadinim
nimtakim beshorsham, which means “stern
Acoustic Guitar For Peace: artist's conceptionjudgment is sweetened from the root.” I believe that religion is at the root of both the conflict and the
solution. At our gatherings, we
have all kinds of people – religious & secular - but we do use the
gems of religion as possibilities for healing. I think that one of the problems with the Oslo peace process
for example was that the religious were kept out of the discussion. There was zero mention of the root of
peace in the Koran and Torah, for example. Something was missing. For most of the people who are involved
in this conflict, religion matters. If you touch the positive part of religion,
it has highly medicinal power.
On your website, you say that
the goal of the Sulha Peace project is to heal and reconcile the children of
Abraham. Why the emphasis on Abraham?
Abraham is our common father. Likewise, Sarah and Hagar are our
mothers. We all come from the same
family, the same tribe.
I personally think Abraham is an
archetype. I realize that he is a
very complex figure. We can go
into a discussion about the binding of Isaac/Ishmael, or how he let Hagar and
Ishmael go out into the desert (though he made a point to visit them there),
but I see him as a figure of compassion and humanity. He
opened his tent to the four directions, and provided hospitality to strangers. Legend goes he
would wash the feet of pilgrims and feed them. He defended the innocent at
Sodom and Gomorrah. In the Kabbalah
he’s related to unconditional loving-kindness, as the creator of the morning
prayers, as flowing water.
Some people see what you are
doing and say, “This is all very nice.
People eating, dancing, singing, praying, and talking together. But how is that going to solve
anything? The occupation
continues. The terrorism
continues. People go back to their homes and they are faced with the same
reality. Are you really making any
difference?”
The people who come to our gatherings
are also crying the pain of their lost ones. There are a lot of people who have
suffered. We have settlers and Palestinian ex-militia men. We are not outside of the reality here;
we are just choosing to manifest it in a different way. We do not want to perpetuate the same
negative feelings. Everyone knows
that the problems are out there.
We do not give more energy to them. We have CNN, BBC, and al Jazeera; they are doing a good
enough job portraying the sickness. We want to portray the medicine.
Are we making a difference? Well, we started with 150 people in
2001, and now, in 2008, we are over 5000 strong. We also have partnered with an
organization in the West Bank that teach non-violence resistance in the way of
Martin Luther King. Now in our seventh year, we also have youth gatherings --- the Sulhita Youth Project which gathers one hundred Palestinian and Israeli
kids for a five-day leadership and reconciliation retreat. So I think that we in
fact are making a difference.
To date, what has been the
greatest failure and greatest success of the project?
The failure is that it is not
attracting 100,000 in both sides yet. People in Israel and Palestine are still
skeptical and still cynical. But
the biggest failure is that people still believe there would be more security
without peace. The blindness of
people who still think that security will come with war. They don’t understand
that for one to be happy the other has to be happy as well. There’s also a lack of justice that
needs to be resolved, but it will not be resolved through violence, we have
tried throughout history and it has never worked.
The biggest success is that here
the Sulhita Youth is fully happening and it is growing. This year we have three youth and three
family gatherings. And we found a
partner in the Palestinian side that we believe in. We have the explicit
support of elders of the stature of His Holiness the Dalai Lama (link to youtube vid) and
Archbishop Desmond Tutu among others and also a strong intuition that the
framework and way of the Sulha Peace Project is making its mark on society at
large.
What can expect from you this
year?
Next week we are holding our fifth
sulhita gathering with a hundred Palestinian and Israeli kids. In August, we
are having our annual Sulha gathering that should once again take place at the Latrun
monastery (about 15 kilometers west of Jerusalem and 14
kilometers southeast of Ramla). All are invited.
By mid-October, I will be arriving
with my band Amen. Which is also composed of musicians like Amir Paiss from the Israeli band
Sheva. In addition to the playing Sulha inspired music we will be screening the
new Sulha movie. If you want to support Sulha you can come in August to Israel,
or email us to book US tour dates at amen.sulha@gmail.com.
Finally, what message do you
have for those Jewcy readers (Jews and non-Jews) whose heart have been broken
by the conflict and who have given up on the hope for peace?
Never give up hope. You need hope to be Jewcy. If I did not
have hope, I wouldn’t live here.
There are still some beautiful beings in Israel and Palestine who are
trying to make this place a Holy Land. A broken heart is a full human heart,
but you can’t let that lead you to despair. We can’t lose hope. We can't live without hope. As long as you can breathe, there is still
hope. Before we die we need to
shine our special light. That’s what we are here for.
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David Kelsey
Are you 15?
"bringing Jews and Arabs together in the spirit of
reconciliation and peace."
Oh, sure. This will change everything. If you can just get two peoples to sing and dance together in sufficiently large numbers--even if just for a moment -- history will surely stop with our generation and peace will break out in our time.
Roi Ben-Yehuda
David
David, I understand your attitude and addressed it in a question to Gabriel above. However, I salute the work Gabriel is doing, and unlike you, think that it is of real importance. To talk with your enemy, to eat with your enemy, to pray with your enemy, and yes, to dance and sing with your enemy goes a long way. It may not immediately change the facts on the ground, but it can change the facts inside your mind and heart. It makes it much harder to laugh at that racist joke your uncle makes across the dinner table; it makes harder to listen to your religious and political leaders spew words of hatred about the other; it makes it much harder to disrespect, abuse, and harm the other when you are in a position of power. More importantly, as Gabriel said, the whole process helps prepare the people on both sides for what peace calls for. Wither you recognize it or not, this horrible conflict is perpetuated in the minds and hearts of the people as much as anywhere else. I see no good reason for knocking down people who are trying to change that.
Anonymous
To David
Never underestimate the power of trust.
Trust makes a place for respect.
Respect for the other`s needs, beliefs and rights.
Respect makes a place for sharing
Sharing makes a place for reconciliation
Reconciliation makes a place for peace.
Peace makes a place to growth, development and love
David Kelsey
Wrong even within your own imaginary paradigm
"To talk with your enemy, to eat with your enemy, to pray with your
enemy, and yes, to dance and sing with your enemy goes a long way."
That only makes sense if the people responsible for the fighting are, in fact, singing, dancing, and eating together. You -- and Gabriel clearly -- see this as something apart from the general Islamic rage at the theological challenge raised by the existence of Israel. Let's look at Gabriel's own words:
"Likewise, Sarah and Hagar are our
mothers. We all come from the same
family, the same tribe."
Okay, you people have to put down the fucking tambourines and learn your shit. This is not the case according to either religious tradition. This is fantasy...or rather, an absurd, even surreal rejection of the theological root of this struggle, and therefore, of the inability of Israelis and Palestinians to solve it on their own.
For even if we claim this situation could be helped through sing and dance, you would have to sing and dance with the Muslim Brotherhood and the House of Saud, and at least most of the other power brokers who do not seek an end to this conflict, but quite the contrary.
It isn't just that your solution is fantasy -- your understanding of the problem is also fantasy.
Roi Ben-Yehuda
David, I believe that you
David, I believe that you are mistaken when you think that ordinary Israelis and Palestinians are not part of the problem or solution.
David Kelsey
I am talking Muslims, not Jews
"David, I believe that you are mistaken when you think that ordinary
Israelis and Palestinians are not part of the problem or solution."
No. The Muslim people you are singing and dancing with anyway do not have the reigns of power. Muslim power is not based in Palestine or Israel. They have been pawns in many ways since the beginning of Israel.
Terry
I'm with both David AND Gabriel
First of all, thank you Roi for the quality interview. The questions that you asked provided just the right type of insight.
David, I agree that the whole let’s-all-love-one-another thing is a little starry-eyed and cheesy. But, would the world really be better off without it? If just one kid with a tambourine gets inspired, he could grow up to be the next Martin Luther King Jr. And, speaking of MLK, I think that’s the whole point—to create a future activist/leader who knows more than just hatred. As corny as the path may be, there’s no sense in not trying.
Yes, yes, I know. The only way to create peace is to make sure that everyone has enough money, a house, schools, opportunities, etc. The singing and dancing is just a public event to showcase what the organization is about. I’m sure there is some real work going on when they’re not holding the tambourines—work that deals with more practical issues.
Anonymous
your heart is hardened
For the life of me, I cant understand why a bunch of folks living in America would have the gall to shit on Israelis and Arabs who are working hard for peace (they are not just singing and dancing). As gabriel said, they are part of the reality, they suffer the pain, but they are doing their part to bring it to an end. You shit on this because you think you have a clue about what goes on in the region? You think that you understand better than the people who live the reality. It is so easy to cast a stone and say "you are delusional, it will change nothing", it is easy and absolutely worthless.
Yonstar
I think Daivd is missing the WHOLE point
The idea of "Oh two people dancing and singing won't change anything" is such a narrow minded and frankly pathetic way to approach any problem that it is no wonder that there have been so few real advancements towards Peace in the Middle East. Peace is a grass roots movement.....historically speaking it is always the people that have to demand peace from their leaders before the subject is even addressed. David, I am sure you sit in your safe home and pass judgment on others while flicking through your 700 channel cable box and ordering take out...but you have NO clue what the reality is for both sides of the struggle. Edify yourself first...understand that both Jews and Muslims need to band together worldwide using common ground as a bridge first...common ground like music, art, film, food, and so forth...that’s how a movement is born. But sure…keep passing judgment from afar...I'm sure you think you are doing Gods work. Abe Lincoln one of the greatest advocates for peace and equality in western history once said..."I may take small steps, but I never walk backwards" singing and dancing in small steps may not lead us to peace....but will keep us in good rhythm along the way.
Jason D
Never give up hope!
David, Being cynical about the efforts and a beautiful project such as this one is a reflection on us and exposes the real problem that we have as jews. Mocking people that are trying to make a difference, makes me really sad, and makes you look silly.
Eyal
David – history teaches us differently!
Strong kingdoms have fallen; huge empires have disappeared; the Inquisition stopped long ago…
All of this happened because the people - the ultimate power of the world, chose to eventually say no; chose to resist; chose to change. And it ALWAYS worked!
“Muslim Brotherhood and the House of Saud, and at least most of the other power brokers who do not seek an end to this conflict” or other extreme Jewish movements on the other side – will all eventually stop, if the people - ALL OF US - will say NO.
So let’s support those people who seek peace, no matter how naïve they may seem. They can win those power brokers, as their predecessors did so many times in the history.
Roi Ben-Yehuda
From Such Beginnings
I think that the point is not wither the criticism is coming from Israel or not (dismissive and cynical attitudes come from within Israel as well), nor that empires have fallen because of people power (which is not always true). The point is that projects like Sulha (also check out Seeds of Peace) are doing their part by helping transform the heart and minds of people who are enemies to one another. On a very basic level it means that the Israeli solider standing on guard at some check point will treat Palestinians under their jurisdiction with respect; or that a Palestinian listening to her friends give support to the anti-semitic propaganda of Hamas will have the moral courage to intellectually dissent. This is what it means to create a new reality from the ground up. From such beginnings a great deal more is possible. But that is how one begins.
Gabriela
Gracias!
Hey Roi, I am happy that you gave the Sulha Peace Project some more exposure with your article. Gabriel says several times in the interview how the media tends to focus exclusively on the bombs, conflict, and war. You are showing the other side, surely much smaller but much more important.
Roi,
Me alegra mucho que le dés al proyecto Sulha Peace más difusión con tu artículo. Gabriel dice varias veces en su entrevista cómo la prensa muestra solo bombas, conflicto y guerra. Vos estás mostrando el otro lado. seguramente más pequeño pero mucho más importante.
David Kelsey
okay, I've been thinking...
Roi wrote,
"On a very basic level it means that the Israeli solider standing on
guard at some check point will treat Palestinians under their
jurisdiction with respect;"
Okay, I can see things like that happening....I'll give you that.
Anonymous
Message
Gabriel's message is so beautiful. I wish there were more people like that in the world...
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