. . . to the effect that the Jews did not kill Jesus, the ROMANS did.
That may be technically correct, in that the Romans carried out the actual execution. But, if the NT account is to be believed, the Roman governor, Pilate, clearly saw no reason to kill him and gave the Jews a chance to save him. When they insisted, "Crucify him", he washed his hands of the matter.
And the rest is history, as they say.
Mahler, here is the full text of the resolution.
I don't see anything condemning the modern Turkish government.
Now there's a piece of work. I first learned about him when he had a hissy fit over the fact that the new representative to congress from my district, being Muslim, planned to place his hand on the Koran, rather than the Bible, for the commerative photo of his swearing in. (The actual swearing in involves no book at all -- just the raising of the hand).
In an attempt to understand why he thought this was such a big deal, I went to his website, and there all was revealed. His purpose was to draw media attention so he could sell books, CD's, t-shirts, etc. and increase his radio audience.
It's no surprise to me that he defends Ann Coulter. They are cut from the same cloth.
I didn't bother to check out the second link. I figured it was more of the same.
>>I'm worried that there will be lots of hotheaded angry young people causing trouble when Bush vetos HR 106. <<
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe non-binding resolutions progress beyond the body that passes them. So, if H. Res. 106 passes the House, that's it. Bush doesn't get the opportunity to veto it.
>>Simply because some of us have Armenian friends, does not make their position right. <<
Of course not. But neither does the fact that one Armenian group in California hosts an anti-Semitic nutcase make them anti-Semitic.
>>We should be careful before jumping on someone's bandwagon . . .<<
I'm not jumping on any bandwagons. I have read a lot about this, including respected Jewish and Turkish sources, and I have concluded that what happened to the Armenians at the hands of the Ottoman Turks was genocide. Period.
>>. . .simply because they say "justice", "holocaust" or "denial" to trigger our emotional responses. Let's be cool.<<
Funny -- Abe Foxman deals with people who say things like this all the time. Can anyone say, "Ahmadinijad"?
>>My guess is that Rabbi Grossman is doing something useful for the Jewish people, while Joey Kurzmann isnt.<<
To the extent that people think that Abe Foxman and the Anti-Defamation League speak for Jewish people, Foxman is doing harm to the Jewish people. By speaking out forcefully against Foxman and the ADL, Joey is letting people (the "other riffraff" like me) know that there are, thankfully, Jews out there who still have their moral compass and who have concerns for people beyond their own community. And as other Jewish voices chime in, we become more and more reassured.
I call that doing something very useful for the Jewish people. Joey and the other folks at Jewcy actually do more to combat anti-Semitism, in my opinion, than Foxman and the ADL. In fact lately, Foxman seems to be contributing to anti-Semitism, not combatting it.
Rabbi Grossman sounds like an interesting man, but we are talking about Foxman and the ADL.
I was not able to view the video here for some reason, but my curiosity took me to the Daily Show Website where I found TWO videos on the politics of Armenian Genocide controversy. Both are excellent:
Headlines - Unsolved Histories and
This Armenian Strife
>>that that road leads through Glendale<<
What are you up to, Joey? A new front in the War on Denial? :-)
I agree that the YouTube speech Paul shared is very powerful and I commend it to everyone interested in this issue.
I thought I would also share an obituary that appeared in a Montreal newspaper today, announcing the funeral of a woman thought to be Montreal's oldest Armenian Genocide survivor. Her's is another compelling story.