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Anonymous


I, for one, think God is dead

Dead serious about you rolling to the Mount of Olives!

MaxKohanzad


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MaxKohanzad


Free translation of the Shema - according to me:

Listen Up! Those that struggle with Almighty (life the universe & everything). That which brings into being, is also your own being, that which always IS, is (completely) one (you included)!

And (when you realise this) you will love all of Existence, (particularly) your corner of it, with all your hearts, all your souls and your entire being!

And these ideas, which the I of existence is compelling you, this very day, you will place them within your heart, and you'll seriously teach them to your children, and you'll speak about them when you sit in your house, and when you are travelling on the way,  when you go to sleep and when you get up, and you'll bind them to your deeds,  and they will be a meditation between your eyes, and you'll write them (like graffitti?) on the doorposts of your houses and your gates.

And if indeed you do listen (deeply to existence) you will hear the inner complusion which the I of being compels you this very day, to love all of Existence, (particularly) your corner of it... etc...





nonbeliever


I think there is no God. If there is one, it is not the way people imagine. It is not a "good" being, since it lets millions of good people to die in starvation and wars, or diseases, while it allows bad guys earn fortunes. Or it is not powerful since it can not punish criminals on Earth. All what religions say is imagination, or lies. -




MaxKohanzad


Dear Mr nonbeliever!

Strange but the God that you don't believe in - I also don't believe in

it is a forth grade conception of some king - white bearded Man in the sky.

What has happened is that you've grown up - but your view and concept of God has not - you have developed by your God has not.

So big deal that your god is a pile of shit, who is to blame for that God your your limited view of god?

You sound like some spoilt brat -

oh god lets millions of people die - God can't be 'Good' -

God "allows bad guys earn fortunes."

God is not all powerful because - "it can not punish criminals on Earth" etc...

The problem is that you ARE a believer - you deep down want to belive in your child like view of God - but you life and cynical impression of the meaningless of life - now makes you think - that God must be like the tooth fairy, or father christmas!

That's why you are so disapoint in 'god' that He is such a shit!

Let me ask you this Mr. or Mrs nonbeliever what if you actually read my above post?

and realised that the Authentic Jewish view of God was actually much closer to 'Existence' than - 'man in sky with beard'?

Lets re fraise what you've said with this new definition and see if it makes any sence to bitch God out.

"I think there is no 'Existence'. If there is one Existence, it is not the way people imagine. Existence is not a "good" Being, since it lets millions of good people to die in starvation and wars, or diseases, while Existence allows bad guys earn fortunes. Or Existence is not powerful since it can not punish criminals on Earth. All what religions says [about Existence] is imagination, or lies."

Look simple facts here: Existence Exists!

Existence - is all knowing, it is all powerful, it is good baby! it is supremely intellegent and it is Existence that gave us the Torah!

Much love*





MaxKohanzad


i think i need to get out more




gogityershinebox


...but I found this interesting.  I have been dealing with exactly what you said, a fourth grade version of G-d.

The straw that broke the camel's back was that story about the little girl in Vegas that was molested on video tape.  It hurt me so watching the news about this and straight up pissed me off at the concept of G-d's.  Yes, admittedly, I am looking at G-d from the fourth grade view. 

My honest question is, if the Torah is believed in the literal sense...isn't G-d more like the king with the white beard than a "force?"  I was just reading the daily Torah portion, and he was talking to Rebecca.

 Also, can you explain further on the idea of G-d as "existence?"   





MaxKohanzad




Carl Frikkin' Sagan


God can't be dead. Fictional characters from books don't die.

The God that does NOT appear in scripture, that God that requires maturity and understanding, the God that can be found in a little bit of this mystic text and that unrelated philosopher and that little hunk of the Talmud and this really nice bit of poetry from over there...well, he exists only in the imagination. This is sometimes known as "make-believe".

And the only thing existence proves is, really, existence. No outside force is required. And before you go apeshit, Max, turning the matter around and accusing others of spiritual blindness is no kind of argument at all. It's sticking your fingers in your ears and saying, "la la la, I can't hear you!".





MaxKohanzad


Carl - i'm sure you're a swell chap, but you obviously can't read, or haven't read anything i've said - so in conclusion - "la la la, you don't hear me!" - oh well not my problem.

what is existence ? 





Anonymous


I just don't buy any of it. It's just magic words from the particular text that you decided was magical. Also, I thought your rudeness to nonbeliever was uncalled for. All he did was disagree with you.




Anonymous


Would that be in physical, philosophical, religious, or personal terms? I really don't want to post an encyclopedia for an answer.

The existence of the universe? Read a physics book.





MaxKohanzad


and what does physics say the universe is? existence is?




MaxKohanzad


what freaking magical text?




MaxKohanzad


this is rediculas -




Carl Frikkin' Sagan


In order to say what physics says about the universe, it would take way too much space. I even told you where you could find out...a physics book. I'm not getting into a pissing match with you over 10th grade physics.

From the links you yourself provide, that would be the Torah (magic book), the only place we get Yaweh (magical "true" name).





Carl Frikkin' Sagan


I'm sorry that in my haste, I accidentally posted as "ananymous". My bad.





MaxKohanzad


Carl - I'm not talking about 10th grade physics - I'm asking you a question. What is this stuff that we are part of? what is the nature of existence? 10th grade physics doesn't answer these questions. And the 10th grade answer is not what physics is saying today.

http://urbanguru.co.uk/light-fantastic/

I think you'll find that my use of the Bible as a start for a discussion about God and god being dead or not is actually relevant. Moreover - as i've said - i'm not sure that I am saying anything different from you EXCEPT i'm arguing from a completely different worldview.

You are saying everything is physical, everything is meaniningless, everything is mundane, and everything else is imagined.

I'm saying that everything is actually divine, it is spiritual, everything is deeply meaningful and everything else is imagined.

You see it's very easy to question my starting worldview - but have you questioned your own?

Why do you start with the assumption that physical existence is meaningless?





Carl Frikkin' Sagan


"Why do you start with the assumption that physical existence is meaningless?"

Who the hell said that? I certainly never called a life without thinking that fairy tales are real "meaningless"! Life is like looking at artwork. It has whatever meaning we give it. And yes, obviously, I've questioned pretty much everything I can get my hands on, including my (current) materialist viewpoint, which is a conclusion I arrived at after many, many years of earnest research and experience.  





Anonymous


what a person beleives (tells themselves and thinks over and over) about God is what rules their lives. To beelive (tell oneself )that there is no God or that God is crap means they will live under that dominion and its not very benificial. So therefore, its all about using our own free will to revise our belief (thinking we think about and tell ourselves) about God. The reason Max says it's not his problem is because no one can do that mental work for anyone else. We are each all free that way to make our lives what we will.

The truth of being is thsat God is Absolute Good, Omnipresent and that man is one with him, regardless of appearences. The closer your thinkign abotu God is to this fact, the better results you will reap.

best wishes on how you choose to make your lives.   :)