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by Ken Mondschein, December 5, 2006
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Horny haredim provide endless fodder for secular Jews playing the “See, you’re not so holy!” game. After all, if the pious can’t live up to their own rules, then maybe those of us who prefer Henry Miller and absinthe to the Talmud and Manischewitz aren’t so debased. Rumors abound: A former girlfriend of mine who worked the phones at a brothel in Manhattan’s Diamond District claimed that half the customers donning rubbers had been wearing tefillin earlier that day. Certain street corners in Brooklyn are said to host encounters between hookers and the local Satmar Hasids. And Serena Noir, a Manhattan dominatrix, will tell you that Orthodox Jews make up a significant portion of her clientele.
Of course, Jewish misbehavior is as old as Judaism. What’s new is that the Internet has made getting a
Don't Be Evil: Detail from an anti-Internet flier found in Satmar Williamsburg. little schmear on the side as easy as hitting the olive bar at Zabar’s. Orthodox Jews choose hormones over Halacha with the aid of sites such as Craigslist, the FrumSex mailing list on Yahoo! Groups, and the Israeli-based, Hebrew-language forum Hyde Park. With its long arms and reassuring anonymity, the Internet is threatening to radically alter Orthodox life. It’s also creating a digital paper trail that allows us to watch how the early stages of this revolution are playing out.
A little online sleuthing reveals that instead of chasing after the non-observant, religious Jews are using the Web to break the Seventh Commandment with each other. I placed several personal ads on New York’s Craigslist asking frum posters to reveal their motivations. Craigslist has a libertarian sensibility, and most of its services are free and anonymous. Its anything-goes mentality is demonstrated best in its Casual Encounters section, where adults advertise for no-strings-attached sex. Because it’s so open and there’s no cost for posting, Craigslist attracts a more diverse user community than sites such as JDate, Match.com, and eHarmony. This makes it home to some of the most public Orthodox dirty laundry aired online: In the past week alone, the New York board listed 34 “frum seeking frum” ads.
“Frum guys, read this,” read one post I placed in Casual Encounters. “What are you looking for online? Are you married? Frustrated with the frum world? I want to know. Confidentiality assured.”
Responses ranged from denial (“No one online is really frum, so you’re telling a false story”) to enthusiastic, if illiterate, agreement (“MOST JEWISH FRUM WOMAN ARE SO HORNEY THAT EVEN AFTER THEY HAVE SEX WITH THERE HUSBAND THEY ARE IN THE SHOWER USING THE DLODO TO GET ANOTHER ORGASAM [sic] !!!!!!!!!!!!”). I also received responses from women: “its you frum guys are so damm lamm in bed, i just need so badly somebody to make me scream [sic],” a hot-to-trot halachic honey wrote. “wanna go out ? r u good in bed or is is ur wife on craigslist too [sic]?!
Other Orthodox Jews, looking for camaraderie and a sympathetic ear, flock to FrumSex, a six-year-old Yahoo! Group that boasts almost 2000 members (roughly 95 percent of whom are men). “The common complaints are straightforward: Frum guys feel their wives, for the most part, aren’t adventurous or libidinous enough,” explained “Carmen Olestra,” the founder and owner of FrumSex. In an e-mail to me, Olestra, who describes himself as a married Haredi father in his early thirties, continued: “Many of them have gotten some exposure to secular media and [when they get married] they’re excited by the opportunity to finally explore a woman’s body for real and try out all the things they’ve only dreamed about—and then the wives aren’t interested.”
While it’s easy to use the Internet to get as far as possible from the restrictions of one’s community, many haredim only feel comfortable or accepted around other frum Jews. Even when they express a longing for sexual freedom, it usually involves fantasies about the frum girl next door. The reasons for this are complex. To begin with, many still cling to the mores they were raised with, no matter how thoroughly they transgress them. For example, Orthodox men are forbidden from sleeping with women who have not been ritually cleansed after menstruation; as one Lubavitcher lothario wrote to me, only an observant woman would know to follow such a rule.
Other frum Jews also understand the need to keep things on the down low. Thanks to the anonymity afforded by Craigslist, Orthodox Jews can explore stigmatized desires without worrying about being banished by their communities. For example, gay Orthodox can discreetly hook up. One of my informants told me that he lived a double life not because he couldn’t face telling his wife, but because openly gay haredim “cause grief for their families and destroy their siblings’ and children’s prospects of marriage and happiness.” In other words, if the community discovers that you’re gay, in 40 years your great-nephew might find it impossible to get married. Other Orthodox Jews understand the potential costs of forbidden behavior, the logic goes, and will demonstrate the necessary caution.
Finally, in an online world populated by people looking for easy sex, piety isn’t exactly a selling point. Non-Jewish women aren’t reputed to find frum fashion and mores particularly sexy, which only adds to the discomfort of a religious guy trying to hook up in the non-frum world. For adulterous ultra-Orthodox, fellow believers may be the last, best hope for sexual and emotional fulfillment.
In the past, when it was easy to see who was following the rules and who wasn’t, radicals, dissenters, and deviants like the Craigslist posters and Frumsex members would have been exposed and exiled from the community. Today, because of the internet, they can remain, undetected. The Ethernet cable snaking into the wall is the serpent in the walled garden that the Orthodox have built for themselves.
The challenges offered by the online world are by no means limited to sex, with bloggers such as the Hasidic Rebel and “Shtriemel” of A Hasid and a Heretic posting witty, well-reasoned critiques of the customs and follies of the Orthodox communities into which they were born. No wonder that last year, just before Rosh Hashanah, the Lakewood, N.J. rabbinate joined the Satmar of Williamsburg and other groups in forbidding children, high school students, and even adults from going online unless it was necessary to their livelihoods. This past September, an Israeli study concluded that 87% of haredi rabbis believe the Internet is detrimental.
So the headlong collision between traditional sexual mores and the modern free market of online lust presages other revolutions, too. The Internet has become an uncloseable chink in the ghetto wall. The secular temptations of the Enlightenment are being brought ever-closer by the openness and pervasive reach of electronic media, and traditional communities like the ultra-Orthodox are increasingly powerless to stamp out the lurid and heretical impulses in their midst. The more profound challenges they will encounter in the coming years may help them see the occasional treyf hook-up for the trifle it really is.
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Ken Mondschein, when not decipering ancient manuscripts, roaming the globe with his swords on his back, or passed out in a puddle of absinthe, is a Ph.D candidate in history residing in New York City. As an over-educated and under-employed More... |
Anonymous
>“cause grief for their
>“cause grief for their families and destroy their siblings’ and children’s prospects of marriage and happiness.” In other words, if the community discovers that you’re gay, in 40 years your great-nephew might find it impossible to get married.
I realize the whole quote is unfortunate, but your "in other words" adds something which the quote did not say.
Siblings + children != 40 years and great-nephews (the third generation).
Anonymous
yeah, well
Just like to point out that perhaps people haven't changed in thousands of years. Ancient Egypt allowed marriages between a woman and two men, between people and animals. Babylon, Greece and Rome were similarly not less sexually liberated than America today. So the "challenges" these people have is really the same as it has always been. Open any old Responsa from throughout the ages and you'll find lots of cases of fornication and adultery. In some ways things are less likely to be truly "anonymous" today what with paternity tests and hidden cams everywhere.
Anonymous
unreal
I just went on CL to see for myself. My heart aches for what's going on there. Frum married men and women looking to hook up. It is so sad.
Anonymous
Frum men wanting sex
I am not suprised at all
Anonymous
Thanks for the enlightenment
What an enlightening day to have come upon this website and various Jewish/frum/orthodox blogs. It is humbling to realize how naive I am. All the stupid modesty stuff has led to all the immodesty stuff. It would be funny except that people have been forced to explore the wonders of sex and eroticism in an atmosphere of shame and secrecy. Thank G-d for websites like this one.
Barry dslurpy@yahoo.com
Anonymous
Good for the orthodox community
Is it bad or good is an argument that I constantly have with folks who automatically think its bad. The fact that the people are trying to do it secretly without ruining the lives of their families children etc might be pretty noble if you think about it.
Maybe this shows that the seperation of the sexes has gone too far eh?
www.frumsatire.wordpress.com
Anonymous
Deviant and Frum
Fact is frum jews are so repressed they resort all sorts of weird things. I wish I knew why stories like this one http://playchossid.blogspot.com/2007/01/monsey-psychologist-accused-of.html
are glossed over. Its really pathetic.
Anonymous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Siw3WAFiXQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Siw3WAFiXQ
FRUM MONSEY
FRUM PORN
http://playchossidmonsey.blogspot.com/
who posts this ? who video taped it ? who the heck is Neil Kaplan ? Who the heck is Leah Kleim ?????? will someone please tell me...
Anonymous
frum porn
i know leah kleim and neil kaplan. i have talked to both of them about playchossid, and there "frum porn" debut.
neil and leah took the video.
David N. Friedman
Absent from the sensationalism
The suggestions that a modesty standard is causing a supposed outbreak of radical frum sex is a gross inaccuracy.
In a world awash with pornography and broken relationships--it is an obvious bit of malice that brings the secularists to write these stories. It is no news story when a liberal succumbs to sexual sin. When a traditional Jew falls prey to the same human emotion it is somehow big news.
The insult takes place when it is understood that despite the fact that traditional Jews very, very rarely fall prey to the emotion--- the GOTCHA follows as the cause of the corruption of the frum Jew is alleged to be Judaism itself--giving the secularist the double virtue of claiming not only that frum Jews are just like the secular (which they are definitely NOT) but further, and much more importantly, it is those unrealistic Jewish standards which are the cause of the scandal.
It is a funny thing: the FDA will approve a drug as effective if it performs only a bit better than a placebo. A frum life is so much more of a standard of effectiveness by the percentages against sexual impropriety, it should be hailed by our community as a model for everyone. Instead, we attempt to bring shame on the community and suggest it is repression of sexual desire that causes a "outbreak" that is really more of an anecdote than a scandal.
It is fine to cover the story--but if it is reported without balance and context, it is a smear and a demonstration of malice.
David Strauss
Re: Absent from the sensationalism
"It is no news story when a liberal succumbs to sexual sin. When a
traditional Jew falls prey to the same human emotion it is somehow big
news."
It's called hypocrisy.
h.
no one is perfect
it's a common assumption that the Orthodox are immune to outside influences. in reality, they're not. we just never hear about it.
i've heard stories of Orthodox men hanging out at Fetish parties and strip clubs. they go to look but not to touch. that's the other thing...it's always the men and not the women who are engaging in such behavior. i'm sure there are several Orthodox women who are unhappy in their marriages, but they have no means of expressing their sadness except anonymously over the Internet. the same applies to gay Orthodox Jews (both men and women). the only way they can be free is by leaving the community altogether.
in a way, i think it's good that the Orthodox are able to explore secular means of personal expression. but on the other hand, it can be bad to be exposed to too much as it will leave them confused and frustrated with their lives and marriages. there is a whole book about such a topic called 'The Unchosen' by Hella Winston. it's highly recommended if you want a look at the secret lives of this unique community.
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