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"Your Hate for Everything I am Brings Darkness to My World"
A gay Jewish American intellectual finds hope in cosmopolitan Tehrangeles
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Dear Mahmoud (if I may),

I thought of you recently. I was at my cousin’s house for a Hanukkah celebration (you know, the Jewish holiday celebrating freedom and liberation from oppression, a topic I know is important to you) in Los Angeles, California, a place that you must also know well given that it’s the largest Persian community outside Iran. My cousin, who is Jewish, is married to an Iranian Muslim.

You must find that difficult to imagine, but in my world of cosmopolitan California, it’s the beautiful standard. Our huge family celebrates Passover and Hanukkah as well as Eid together—although to be honest, my Muslim relatives are not very observant, and they sometimes forget exactly when Eid falls. Jews in America who don’t practice the religion often call themselves, half-jokingly, “bad Jews,” so we call my cousins “the bad Muslims.” And they like to drink. A lot. So that really does make them bad Muslims.

I was there with my husband (sic—this is not a translation error, Mahmoud. I am a man married to a man) and daughter (also not a translation error, although no, neither of us has a womb) and the house was packed. The Hanukkah party was catered by the best Persian caterer in all of Los Angeles. Food and drink overflowed.

I’m the most religious one in my family. Had it been my celebration, we might have sat down to tell the story of Hanukkah and spent a little more time doing the rituals that Jews have been doing on the holiday for about 1800 years. We did, however, light the Hanukkah candles, illuminating the physical darkness that comes early in winter time. But mostly we just talked, exchanged presents, learned a little bit about the holiday, and celebrated.

It was about 10 pm and the din rose to a feverish and exhausting peak, so I stepped into another room and sat down for a moment of quiet reflection. And there, as I was looking at their bookshelf, I thought of you. Yes, Mahmoud, an American gay Jewish intellectual celebrating Hanukkah with his husband, daughter, and Jewish-Muslim family in Los Angeles thought of you.

On the top shelf, next to the trashy novels and other popular fiction, sat a Torah, the first five books of Moses, the prophet near and dear to both you and me. Next to the Torah sat a Koran. There they were, the holiest books in Judaism and Islam sitting perched on a bookshelf in my cousin’s house beneath the mountains of gift wrap from the recently wrapped presents.

I’m pretty sure that neither my birth cousin, the Jewish one, nor my in-law, the Muslim one, has cracked open those books in a while (I could see a little dust on the jackets). But as I sat there staring at the Torah and Koran nuzzled up together on that bookshelf, my eyes actually welled up at the transcendent experience that was taking place in that house, 8,000 miles and worlds of vision away from the image of the world you have been projecting to me since you became president.

Mahmoud, my eyes teared up because I discovered something as I stared at that Torah and Koran and listened to the sounds of our Hannukah party. I realized that the life being celebrated in that house illuminated the darkness that so many leaders have brought into the world. I’m sorry to say in such a personal letter, Mahmoud, that I count you among those leaders. Your anger and hate for everything I am and do brings darkness to my world.

But at the party of my family of Jews married to Muslims, men married to men, with all of them drinking, stuffing their faces, and finding joy in one another's company, I had a taste of gan eden, of the way the world will look when it finds peace.

I’d invite you over to my cousin’s house to see for yourself what gan eden can look like, but I don’t think the meat is hallal.

Wishing you light in this darkest time of year,

Dr. David Shneer

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David Shneer is director of the Center for Judaic Studies and Associate Professor of History at the University of Denver. His most recent book New Jews: The End of the Jewish Diaspora (New York University, 2005) questions whether Jews around the


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Anonymous


Ahmadinejad letter

A touching letter - it should be translated into Farsi and emailed or faxed directly to Mahmoud or posted to his web site.

Ed





Edward Schwarzschild


I agree, although

just to be clear, the above Ed is not me.





Anonymous


I dont get it....

If you love Judaism so much how come you seem totally fine with your cousin stabbing the entire community in the back by marrying outside the faith?

I hate to have to explain basic math to you but if you have 1 and you minus 1, you end up with zero. If you have 3 million american jews and they marry 3 million american non-jews, then eventually, in a few generations, you will have 0 american jews. How come you don't find your "intellectualism" the least bit hypocritical? On one hand you devote yourself to studying, learning and teaching judaism and then on the other hand accept, aknowledge and approve of the exact thing that is decimating it all?

the jewish destrudo at its best.....
Jewish Destrudo





Michael Nehora


You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar

Has it ever occurred to you, Jewish Destrudo  and the others on this site bitching out the intermarried, that people aren't likely to listen to you if you adopt such a harsh, hectoring tone and use violent terms like "stabbing in the back" and "decimating"?  Other commenters on this site have used the terms "second holocaust," thereby implicitly comparing intermarrying Jews to Nazis.  Not exactly the way to outreach to your fellow Jews, or to fulfill the mitzvah of ahavat yisrael.

Intermarriage, regrettable though it may be in some ways, is here to stay, and you can't browbeat people out of doing it.  It's a free country.  Better to conduct positive outreach to intermarried couples, showing them the joy and pleasure in living a Jewish life, rather than taking the oy-yoy-yoy-you're-a-shandeh approach which died out with Tevye the Dairyman.

Try more loving, less hating. 





Anonymous


Hope in a dark season

This was one of the most touching and wrenching things I have read in a long time. The quiet eloquence with which you express the importance of the human truths you and your family live every day speaks more loudly than any thuggish leader ranting about the destruction to come. We can draw hope in a dark season by picturing the riotous exuberance of people of different backgrounds who had found love and companionship and happiness melding their families across faiths that might otherwise or elsewhere be a source of conflict. I felt welling up some of the same tears you shed at seeing the Torah and the Koran in their own embrace. A beautiful and powerful letter.
Max Friedman





Anonymous


you can preach love all you want....

....but nothing you said contradicts basic math.

Why should we love someone with open arms who doesn't love us back enough to even keep us alive?





Anonymous


So quick to judge!

Because not everyone who practices the Muslim faith hates Jews enough to kill them. You're taking the opinions of extremists, and blanketing the entire faith with them. It's tantamount to saying 'all Jews are cheap' or something along the same lines, only the assumption you make is much worse.

It's true. If every Jew married someone of a different faith, and chose not to practice Judaism anymore, the religion would eventually disappear. But Jews marry Muslims, Catholics, Christians, athiests, pagans, Buddhists, people of all different religions and beliefs all the time, and many people choose to share values from both sides with their children and family members. Isn't a world where people can see the right and the good in all faiths better than one where individuals, such as yourself, so readily take such a hateful and extremist stance against their fellow man?





Anonymous


mahmoud's hate

Mahmoud abbas hates israel, not jews.
there are many jews living happily in Iran.
Furthermore, the way in which you extoll the virtues of your secular observance and how it is shared by your muslim outlaws would be yet another reason Abbas might hate you.
Islam started as a means to simplify the religeon but increse faith, to see a watered down version as you describe would strike at the core of Abbas's nerve and he may well blame the jews for encouraging it.
I am in no way endorsing Mahmoud's statements or mentality, but I DO wish people would gather the facts before berrating him.





JewcyCraig


Mahmoud Abbas

If only this article had been about Mahmoud Abbas...





Anonymous


Isaiah 56:1-8

IS56 demands inclusion of eunuchs and foreigners. I'd include the Isaiah passage but it's rather long. Still it is to the point and even more so when you consider that these are the two categories of people that were never ever never ever included in the congregation of Israel. Also there is the story, condensed much so: "Jesus, your mother, sisters, and brothers are outside." "HERE are my mother, sisters, and brothers. They who do my will are my mother, sisters, and brothers." It makes things more difficult but marrying outside your faith is not a sin. People are not dogs to be kept pure bred.





Anonymous


AMEN

"IT" starts at home before "IT" happens in our community and "IT" happens in our community before "IT" happens around the world.

Debbie





Anonymous


I recommend you read Rabbi

I recommend you read Rabbi Joseph Edelheit (if you haven't already), who is perhaps the most effective speaker I have ever heard.





Anonymous


Beautiful, inspired comments

Dear Dr Shneer,

It is beautiful to see that light is everywhere: even in religions that some misinformed now think are barbarians. No matter for how much time they've been radiating light, no matter the quality of the light their believers radiated.

But some commenter is right: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not as anti-Semitic is it may seem. He's actually against the state of Israel, and the way it was created. Not against the Jewish people.

Since one of emotional reasons for the creation is the Holocaust (i suppose you call it Shoah) he promoted a revisionist symposium, to deny the Holocaust. But please remember that there were Jews against Israel (no matter how strange it is) in this symposium, and that no persecutions to Jewish community of Iran have been related lately.

So, indeed, i guess your touching text makes sense everywhere, everytime and for everyone. But concerning Mahmoud Abbas, he needs your teachings for a different reason.

Maybe, for instance, he should start thinking that the state of Israel is an unrefusable reality and any attempt of denying this will only bring sadness and sorrow for everyone, Muslims and Israelis.

Respectfully yours,
An Admirer of your Work and Courage.





Anonymous


Believe it or not, people convert every day...

Unless you're more worried about -RACIAL- purity than religious continuation.





Anonymous


An amazing letter...

I am neither muslim nor jewish, but found the letter touching in the extreme... and some of the subsequent comments quite laughable, if they weren't so tragic.

Tony S.
Johannesburg
South Africa

PS The math problem almost kept me from posting this comment!





JewcyCraig


Math Problems

Remember, if you don't like the math problems, just create a user account. No more math problems for life!





Anonymous


Oh my

Maybe the poster who thinks Mr. Shneer doesn't understand basic math is missing out on something. Or maybe I did. But at what point did he say that every American Jew should intermarry? At what point was he saying that his familial experience speaks for all Jews? Obviously, there are Jews like yourself that will never intermarry, therefore, the Jewish race will never disappear. That's a much simpler logical interpretation then the so called "basic math" you're attempting to administer. You should probably settle down, take a deep breath and actually try reading the letter before pounding on your keyboard hatefully. You've entirely missed the point.





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