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by Tamar Fox, November 1, 2007
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On Monday I wrote about how single people are sick of being told to shack up, and tarfon responded:
Yes to everything you say, except the last point. Asking whether X is dating anyone is not at all the same as asking how much sex X is having. It's OK to ask X whether he/she's dating someone, but it's not OK to ask what they do after the dates.
So!: Are you seeing anyone?
But you're absolutely right that married folks need to invite singles over (and to accept return invitations) more than they do. Single folks are part of the community and should be treated as such.
Specifically, tarfon is referring to the final paragraph of my post:
So today’s practical spiritual advice is to first invite the singles that you know over more, and second to stop bugging them about their love life. Do they ask about how much sex you’re having with your partner? If not, then you don’t get to ask if they’re dating someone, and if not, why not.
Initially I tried to clarify my point with tarfon, and considered that I hadn’t thought out my position particularly carefully, but the more thought I gave it the more I agreed with myself.
Relationship information is just not something that can or should be asked about in a public setting. Whether or not I’m dating someone is just none of the business of anyone at shul. I can ask about someone’s wife because it’s public knowledge that he’s married, but I wouldn’t dream of asking anyone but the closest friend about how the relationship is going in any specific way, and that’s because putting someone on the spot can be humiliating or just plain unpleasant. For everything that Jewish law says about modesty there is a pretty shocking lack of privacy for most people who are dating or thinking about dating, and I find that really offensive and sad.
The issue is mostly the people who want to know if you’re dating because they have an opinion on the matter—your hair is the problem, this is the wrong city for single Jewish girls, you’re not mature enough, have you met my nephew Max?—but the people who think that it’s just pleasant conversation over kichel at Kiddush are equally frustrating. Does a person who’s single want to have to reiterate their status ten times every Shabbat? Probably not. And even if he has started dating someone, is it something he necessarily wants to chat about with the gabbai? Unlikely.
Please people, watch what you say to us single people. At the very least you should expect that we’re writing about you on our blogs, criticizing your nosy ways and your bad manners.
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Tamar Fox has an MFA from Vanderbilt University in Nashville, but she still doesn't like sweet tea. Born and raised in Chicago, she's also lived in Iowa City, Dublin, Oxford, and Jerusalem. When she's not rocking out at honky tonks she teaches More... |
zbird
what if A wants to know if B
what if A wants to know if B is dating someone else because A wants to ask out B? Must A risk uncomfortable rejection or would you permit an exception to your "don't ask, don't tell" rule in the case if a legitimate need for information, as opposed to mere gossip?
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Dan Garwood
Isn't that what C, A's and
Isn't that what C, A's and B's mutual friend, is there for? "Hey C, do you know if B is dating someone?" "No, why?" Etc.
Tamar Fox
Dan, you're awesome
I totally agree. Also, you can always just ask someone out and they'll tell you if they're taken. Most of the time, though, I think people will offer the information about their status if they're dating someone.
tarfon
The algebra of relationships?
It may be that, if A wants to ask B out, A could simply do that, and maybe B would say, "Sorry, but I'm seeing someone" (though if B doesn't say that, A will ask again, so there's something to be said for allowing A to simply ask, "So, are you seeing anyone?").
However, the more likely scenario is that it's D who would like to introduce A and B, but wants to know whether B is already in a relationship? Should D have to ask C whether B is in a relationship? Why shouldn't D simply ask B?
Tamar Fox
Sorry
D shouldn't ask B because B may not want to discuss it with D. But why can't D introduce A and B regardless of B's relationship status?
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