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Wake Up And Smell the Uranium
Ahmadinejad and Khameini want to destroy our way of life

From: Michael Freund
To: Justin Raimondo
Subject: Facts, Not Fantasy

Justin,

How nice it would be to live in a world without threats, dangers, or enemies, where the greatest hazard one might face would be spilling the morning latte while strutting over to the PC. You appear to inhabit such a fantasy world, Justin, and I wish you well. Unfortunately, though, the rest of mankind—and particularly the West—does not.

And much as we might wish it to be otherwise, policymaking has got to be based on rBad Dreams: Grand Ayatollah Khameini fantasizes of a world without America or IsraelBad Dreams: Grand Ayatollah Khameini fantasizes of a world without America or Israeleality, rather than on daydreams and flights of fancy.

You see, Justin, out here in the real world, people such as Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei want to kill you and your family and destroy our collective way of life.

They do not hide their intentions, nor do they conceal their efforts. You can cover your ears and pretend that the problem will simply go away, but that isn’t how things work in the real world.

You would have us believe that Iran does not pose a threat at all—neither to Israel nor to the U.S.—and that the regime in Tehran has been fully compliant with the demands of the international community. Your assertions are laughable, and demonstrate an alarming (if blissful) ignorance. I suggest you check your facts before making such baseless assertions.

Let’s go point by point.

Justin’s myth #1: Iran “represents no threat to America.”

Fact: Iranian leaders have repeatedly and explicitly threatened the United States. Last August, Iran’s so-called Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, said, “The American regime can expect a resounding slap and a devastating first-blow from the Muslim nation.” And Iranian President Ahmadinejad has vowed that, “God willing…we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism.”

Tehran has backed up its words by steadily improving its ballistic missile capability. The Iranian Shihab-3 missile, with a range of 1200 km (746 miles), has been operational for several years, and can hit all of Israel as well as U.S. military targets in the Middle East. Iranian military leaders have declared that they are working on the Shihab-4, with a range of 2000 km (1,243 miles), that will put parts of Europe within striking Stiff-Armed Salutes And Nukes Shouldn't Mix: Would the Iranians give Hizballah a Bomb?Stiff-Armed Salutes And Nukes Shouldn't Mix: Would the Iranians give Hizballah a Bomb?distance, and that they are striving to build even longer-range intercontinental missiles that can hit the United States. All of these weapons have the ability to deliver atomic warheads.

Moreover, if Iran were to develop “the bomb,” what is to stop them from putting it into the hands of one of the myriad anti-American terrorist groups they support, such as Hizballah?

The threat posed by a nuclear Iran is readily acknowledged across the political spectrum, by Democrats and Republicans alike, and the facts bear out the danger this poses to the U.S. and its interests.

Justin’s myth #2: Iran “is no threat to Israel.”

Fact: The Iranian leadership has made clear in recent years that they view Israel as “a cancer” that must be removed from the Middle East. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said on countless occasions that “Israel must be wiped off the map.” And former Iranian President Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani speculated publicly a few years back that just one nuclear device would destroy Israel.

Iran trains, finances, and guides various terrorist groups that engage in acts of violence against the Jewish state, including Hamas, Hizbullah, and Islamic Jihad. And just six months Tehran played host to an international Holocaust-denial conference.

As former CIA Director James Woolsey said, speaking before the Ohio House of Representatives on May 3, “The regime’s threats to destroy Israel and, on a longer time-scale, the United States, are part and parcel of its essence. Recent official statements to this effect represent not a shift in policy. Iran’s regime has defined itself for nearly 30 years by its fundamental hostility to the West, and especially Israel and the United States, which it calls the 'Little Satan' and the 'Great Satan,' respectively.”

Justin’s myth #3: Iran “allows unhampered inspections and cooperates with the International Atomic Energy Agency.”

Fact: The Iranian nuclear program was revealed in 2002 only after an Iranian exile group held a press conference and disseminated photographs and data regarding the country’s covert nuclear installations. It turned out that Iran had been working in secret for 18 years (!!!) on its nuclear program, which it had concealed from the international community. And the government repeatedly lied about its existence. Indeed, in recent years, since its program became known, Iran has prevented international inspectors from carrying out their work. They have blocked access to various sites, suspended cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) a number of times, prohibited snap inspections, and imposed restrictions on the types of monitors allowed to visit certain sites. That is hardly the “unhampered” cooperation that you would have us believe is taking place.

Like it or not, Justin, the facts point to a mounting and compelling threat from Iran, one that is directed not only towards Israel but at the entire Western world. And the sooner you and others wake up and recognize this danger, the more united we can be in confronting it.

Michael

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Michael Freund is Founder and Chairman of Shavei Israel. He writes a syndicated column and feature stories for the Jerusalem Post, Israel´s leading English-language daily, and he previously served as


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Chada


Oh no you didn't......

Don't you read the replies to your nonsense?? Every single Justin "myth" you...ahem... dispute was already decimated by commentators to this...debate (?? Is there really a debate about any of this sabre-rattling anymore??). I stopped reading halfway through. I heard all of this last night on Glenn Beck, The O'Reilly Factor, Situation Room, etc. ad infinitum. Everyone just repeats the same buzz words over and over and over and over.....In case you missed it, the resounding answer to your fear-mongering and fact distortion is NO WAR WITH IRAN! They don't want to kill our cats, or declaw our children because we're free and ....well they just hate freedom "over there". Stop insulting people's intelligence.





Carter


Michael Fraud

and Israel are the real threats to our way of life. Dude, we're not buying your brand of manure any longer. Israel has nukes. If I were in Iran, I'd want them, too. The FACTS are clear. Iran has not invaded and occupied its neighbors. Israel has and does. Iran has not overthrown a democratically elected government to install its puppet. The U.S. has.

But Fraud, you just keep spinning your little tales. We here in America will eventually throw out the Likud members of Congress and cut off the tax dollars funding the terrorist attacks against your neighbors and illegal occupation of other people's homes.

Justin and others will continue exposing your lies and scare-mongering for what they are. I myself look forward to a peaceful and prosperous relationship with a people who actually have something to offer other than an eternally outstretched hand - asking for money.





Mike


The best way to treat a demagogue...

is to ignore him. Let's try it, shall we?





NonZionist


+( You see, Justin, out here

+( You see, Justin, out here in the real world, people such as Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei want to kill you and your family and destroy our collective way of life.
)+ -- Michael Freund, 22 May 2007

The neo-cons are bringing down the U.S.I. -- Evil Empire #1. And I suppose I should be grateful.

Empires cannot be reformed through exhortation. Empires have no conscience, and treat lofty ideals as nothing more than a mask for their vast killing sprees. So what to do? Zionists have found the answer: Play on the empire's irrational fears, exploit the empire's vanity, flatter it, seduce it into playing god, urge it to "Save the World", trick it into usurping the role of Christ, appeal to greed and arrogance, dumb things down to the level of a comic book.

Of course, like Samson, the Zionists are bringing the blind Murikan behemoth down upon their own heads. The resulting "collateral damage" is already on a genocidal scale. But in a Trotskyite way, it all makes sense: As they say, "the end justifies the means". The ending of the U.S. empire will force us Americans to rediscover freedom -- and the rest of the world will finally be free of US.

Pure evil is the antidote for something even worse: pure hypocrisy. So fascist Israel has found its niche. Let us hope that the Israeli Reich lasts for a thousand years. As long as there is sunlight, we will need shade.





lester


this article makes me hate

this article makes me hate Israel even more, if that's possible.





Josh Strawn


Zing

I drew attention to Anne Applebaum's article in my comment on yesterday's post from Justin. The following comes from a commentor on that article who claims to be from Iran. Of course its impossible to vouch for the legitimacy, but I think it's worth taking notice: "...the only way to deal with this mess is to realise that the man running Iran is Khamenei and not Ahmadinejad and his is responsible for all that takes place inside and outside of Iran. What Britain, France and Germany have to do is to stop trading with the Islamic Republic for one year and I bet the whole system will implode from within. There is no need for War. All that the West needs to do is to Just stop selling them refined Petroleum, stop their diplomats flaying in and out of Europe and stop supporting them. We Persians know better than anyone else how to get rid of these Jahadi fascist mullahs. Please Keep quite and let us deal with them in our own way."





Kevin


Debate

Glad to Freund will take on Raimondo and his ilk - a bunch of smartass lefties that wouldn't take any action until they were glowing with radiation. I doubt the bastards would ever fight for ANYTHING.





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