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Shalom in Whose Home?
Amy Sohn and Shmuley Boteach on the duties of modern parenting

 

I've known Rabbi Shmuley Boteach since 1999, when I was publicizing my first novel, Run Catch Kiss, and found myself a guest on a Fox News show with him. We were brought on as two opposite sides of a coin – he the conservative, family-values Jew, and I the provocative, twentysomething sex columnist.

Oprah’s favorite rabbi has flitted in and out of my life a couple times since then. My parents gave me Dating Secrets of the Ten Commandments for a birthday a few years back. Then, several months ago, I came in the living room after putting my daughter to bed to find my husband Charles watching Shalom in the Home, Shmuely’s popular parenting show on TLC that has inspired his latest book of the same name. It was the episode with the woman who nagged her children even when they made her breakfast, and I liked Shmuley’s way of dealing with her. Even Charles, who has a healthy skepticism of makeover shows, was impressed with his shrewd psychologizing.

Shmuley and I recently appeared on a panel at the JCC-Riverdale on the subject of sex. Again, we were brought on to be adversaries, but the most contentious things got was when I mocked the way women stop caring about their figures after motherhood and Shmuley felt I was too harsh. Still, I will never appear in public with this guy again: his sound bites are far too studied and funny for me to stand a chance of upstaging him.

Plus, in an orthodox Jewish setting (the audience was largely orthodox), the rabbi is a rock star, whereas a Jewess who’s written sexually themed novels is a pariah. You should have seen the looks they gave the big red lips on the cover of Run Catch Kiss.

Luckily, Jewcy has offered me the chance to play critic this time around.

– Amy Sohn

 

To: Shmuley Boteach
From: Amy Sohn
Subject: The Perils of Anti-Attachment Parenting

Dear Shmuley,

I’m sorry I was not able to attend your 40th birthday party (our mutual friend Scott invited me), although I was aghast that you are only 40 because your beard ages you, and curious to see what such a celebration would look like.

I live in Park Slope, near Prospect Park, and frequently observe “your people” walking with their many children on Sunday afternoons or playing in the Third Street Playground and I feel a mix of contempt, curiosity, and envy. As an iconoclastic, Brown-educated, sex-writing, feminist, raised Reform Jew, married to an atheistic, religion-hating, genetically Gentile son of divorce, and raising a baby girl with him, I find myself wondering what we the secular community might have to learn from the religious community. I despise the xenophobia, insane rigidity, homophobia and sexism of Orthodox Jews (who I will call here the frum) but I often envy their emphasis on the sanctity of marriage and honoring mother and father.

Dr. Phil meets Mamonides: Rabbi Shmuley Boteach This is in part because I feel so frustrated by American parenting today. When I look around me at the playground, the local Food Coop or 7th Avenue to see how other parents are raising their children, I am sickened by the total indulgence, lack of affection between parents, and general dog-wagging-the-tail. So what can the un-frum learn from the frum? This seems to me to be essence of your show Shalom in the Home and your new book Shalom in the Home: Smart Advice for a Peaceful Life.

Shmuley, I see you as the anti-attachment parent. You practice (at least on your show) detachment parenting. I agree with your belief in the importance of marital intimacy to family harmony. If children do not witness loving and sexual parents in the home, they will have no idea how to enter into healthy and loving relationships as adults. But in so many of the relationships I see, the children are the center of the family. Parents seldom go out alone or vacation alone, the sex life is nonexistent and by the time they begin to get it back they feel social pressure to have another baby – which only puts it on hold for another few years. Men look at online porn; women watch America’s Next Top Model, eat Ben & Jerry’s, and nurse chardonnays for the intimacy they’re no longer getting in their marriages.

Worse, both father and mother seek this intimacy from the children. When the baby awakens in the middle of the night they argue – not over who gets to ignore it, but over who gets to go in – so eager are they for the company the children provide. Email, newsgroups, television and the computer all offer a kind of connection, however false, that adults are no longer getting from each other.

So I am not surprised that in many of the scenarios on your show, the key to helping the family was to work on the couple. And I am certainly not surprised that in many of the families, one or more children were sleeping in the marital bed. Co-sleeping is in vogue these days, though its consequences are treacherous.

I also agree with your contention that too many American parents are afraid to discipline their children. Today’s parents are afraid to be the bad guy, to enforce boundaries – and this has already had unpleasant results for the children, with today’s high level of antidepressant use among young adults.

What twenty-year-old wouldn’t be depressed if he were raised to think he was the center of the universe? The Maxwell family in Chinatown was a glaring example of this. The 3-year-old son did not sleep in his own room, the father indulged his every whim, and the parents had a platonic relationship. I only wish Dr. Bill Sears, author of The Baby Book and the one who started this mess, could hear you say, “Withholding discipline in the name of loving our children is, in practical terms, to despise our children and to cause them grievous harm.”

Talk to the hand, Mommy: How do you cope with unruly kids?I recently visited a preschool program at a local synagogue and witnessed a child repeatedly hitting a teacher in the face. Eventually she was restrained but clearly someone at home was teaching this child that hitting was acceptable. I saw a father at a local restaurant allow his two-year-old to empty the entire contents of the saltshaker onto the table while they were waiting for their food. It’s one thing to give a kid a fork to bang – but to let her take the condiments hostage? I know several four-year-olds who insist on pooping in their diapers and a three-year-old whose mother must get in bed with her each night for up to an hour until she falls asleep, after which her mother sneaks out. What is going on here? Why are so many parents afraid of their own kids?

I do have two fundamental disagreements with your book. I do not think, as you say, that “teenaged sexual activity . . . robs them of their childhood and precious innocence.” I think much depends on the age of the adolescent and the relationship. Two seventeen-year-olds in a respectful, committed relationship may be more capable of lovemaking than two drunken twentysomethings who just met at a bar. And if a teenaged girl is lucky enough to have a committed partner who cares about her pleasure, she will compare future lovers to that first, attentive one, knowing that a man who doesn’t care about her pleasure isn’t worth it. Your categorical insistence on abstinence in teenaged years is naïve, out of touch, and will only encourage children to hide their activities from their parents instead of ask advice on such matters as birth control and STD production, advice they desperately need.

And I think in many of the families you visited you tried too hard to get them to forestall divorce when it was clear that divorce was the best thing for the children. Some of your interventions designed to bring separated couples together (like the Romeros) or keep conflicted couples together (like the Lubners) seemed forced and ill advised. Isn’t the best thing for a child two happy parents? As a child of divorce yourself, don’t you think your parents did you a favor – or are you agonized that they split up and trying to compensate for it in your show?

Amy

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Amy Sohn is the author of the novels Run Catch Kiss and My Old Man (Simon


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Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, is the host of the national TV show Shalom in the Home airing Sunday night at 7 pm on TLC (The Learning Channel), and international best-selling author of 17 books. His latest work, Shalom in the Home: Smart Advice for a Peaceful Life


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Anonymous


Too bad about the company

I'd really like to read an intelligent, thoughtful debate between an Orthodox Jew and a Reform Jew about parenting. I wouldn't be surprised to see them agreeing on many points, and I'd expect the points of disagreement to be thought provoking. But it's difficult to have that response when you've paired an intelligent, open-minded, well-spoken Orthodox rabbi with a mean-spirited, small-minded opponent who can't write. It's hard to read Amy Sohn's entries in this debate without scoffing at her opinions. This is too bad, when so many diverse kinds of liberal Jews read your website and would like to sink their teeth into a meaningful debate.





Anonymous


A waste

Why Amy Sohn? - get someone with something to say to debate the reform/liberal side. She is so self absorbed it is hard to read anything she writes. She does not care to listen or eally flesh out a viewpoint - just likes to spew self centered diatribes...as if every day on the planet is a new "episode" of the Amy show. And we are traped with no remote to switch to something - anything - else.

How very lame. This is why I no longer buy NYmag





Anonymous


Shalom in Whose Home?

I find I have to agree, in part anyway, to both sides of this debate. First I have to say that whenever someone says "because the bible/torah tell's us" I immediatly am turned off. Since I am neither Christian, Jew, or any other relegion (I am a Humanist)I don't get to have some book of stories to guide my life. I run my life by way of just joing the right thing. I am shocked at parents who worship at the alter of the children. What future spouse is able to handle marriage to one of these brats! I was raised by parents who basically hated each other and should never have married let alone stayed together for 35 years. My entire childhood was nothing but fighting, hatrid, name calling, crying, sleepless nights all for the good of the children. The only positive thing I leard from all of this was I vowed to never be like my parents. I am astounded by the people who choose to go on national TV and air their dirty laundry. Shows like Nannie 911, Wife Swap, etc. are so disturbing to me. Sure they all go back two whole months later to check on the progress but let's see them in a year. Another thing I notice on these shows, Shalome in the Home included is a lot of lazy parents. From the way the housekeeping is, to the state of the children's rooms, the crap served at dinner which leads to the overweight, lack of exercise couch potato existance. I work very hard but seem to find the time to cook a decent dinner and keep my house in order and I expect the same from every member of my family. I do it - it's not that difficult and yes sometimes I fall into bed exhausted but it's always a good exhausted. One more thing - money can't buy love. I was in a cell phone store the other day and the family in front of me was buying their 9 year old daughter a $300 cell phone, $99 blue tooth, and a $300 black berry. The little girl was having a fit because the black berry was not the same color as the cell phone and all the parents could do was tell her how sorry they were that they did not match and maybe next year they might come out with a pink black berry and they promised they would buy it for her. Poor baby. One more comment - when are people going to stop quoting JFK? He was not the good boy everyone thinks he was.





Anonymous


Get a room you two

You tguys are so friggin' similar its disgusting.





Anonymous


Amy, what does Attachment Parenting have to do with it?

Amy, I really don't know what kind of a point you are trying to make with your references to attachment parenting, but it's clear you don't know what that term really means, so can you please leave AP out of your incoherent rant?

I am not a rabid devotee of AP. I did read several of Dr. Sears's books and liked his outlook better than most other parenting books I'd seen, so I used his ideas that worked for me, and forgot about the ones that didn't (as Dr. Sears himself suggests). So I'm not here to defend AP to the death. But I do want to correct your ignorant attacks on it. Especially since you don't seem to have a clear idea of what you want to say, and it's really unfair of you to substitute some twisted notion of AP for a logical and meaningful analysis of your own.

You seem to think attachment parenting is all about (1) putting your child at the center of the universe, (2) substituting your relationship with your child for one with your partner, and (3) ignoring all efforts at discpipline. WRONG on all counts.

Taking the last point first, you say "I only wish Dr. Bill Sears, author of The Baby Book and the one who started this mess, could hear you say, 'Withholding discipline in the name of loving our children is, in practical terms, to despise our children and to cause them grievous harm.'” Actually, Dr. Sears would agree with that. You seem entirely unaware that one of Dr. Sears's follow-ups to "The Baby Book" is called, "The Discipline Book" -- an entire volume on how to disciple your kids in a loving yet effective way. And if you'd actually read "The Baby Book," you'd know that he discusses the importance of discipline in the sections on older kids, too. In fact, while Dr. Sears is emphatically against physically punishing kids, or using techniques like withholding love from them or shaming them, he is very big on actual discipline. Parents who follow Dr. Sears' guidance would never allow their kids to pour out salt shakers on restaurant tables (my guess is that Dr. Sears would say that if your kid is doing that, he is feeling bored and you should either find an appropriate activity for him or you should recognize that he's too young to be at the restaurant and take him home). And no true attachment parent would let their kid hit anyone. Ever. (A suggestion for you, Amy -- do some basic research. Go to Dr. Sears' website -- www.askdrsears.com -- and you'll see that he has an entire section on the subject of discipline. Not only would it help your writing, you might learn something as a parent, too.)

Continuing in reverse order, you also seem to have overlooked Dr. Sears's emphasis on the importance of a strong relationship between parents. Dr. Sears would be appalled at the idea of any parent using a relationship with the child to compensate for the a relationship with an adult partner. AP is all about having an appropriate relationship with your kid -- AP'ers are always parents to their kids, not friends or confidantes or (eeew) platonic romantic partners. Dr. Sears says many times (so often that you could not possibly have missed it if you'd done more than skim any of his books) that parents must prioritize their relationship with each other, and he insists that parents get a baby sitter often so they can spend time with each other absent the kids.

Finally, no one who has a clue about what AP really is could ever think it advocates a parenting style that gives your child the impression that he is the center of the universe. Very important to mom and dad, yes. But so important that only s/he matters in the world? Absolutely not. The ideal of AP is to create a close, loving relationship between the parent and child, so the child can grow up secure and happy. The goal of this is to help the child become sensitive, compassionate and caring about the world around him -- the diametrical opposite of thinking he is the center of the universe. An AP child raised well would always think, "how are my actions affecting others" as opposed to "what's in it for me?"

Next time you need a straw man for your half-baked social commentary, you should really be careful to use one you actually know something about.





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