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by Douglas Rushkoff, Andy Bachman, December 19, 2006
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From: Douglas Rushkoff
To: Andy Bachman
Subject: The line you won’t cross
Dear Andy,
“Means” and “ends” are only relevant when we’re stuck in this darned illusion of linear time. On the one hand, I see God as a great excuse—a great image we can use—to go ahead and do good works. So, in this sense, he’s a means.
But, since I also happen to see God as more of a future unfolding than as an historical Creator, God is also an “end.” Mitzvot coming into full consciousness. Matter and energy becoming aware of themselves, and progressing to a consciously enacted ethic.
I think the problem today is that, like our politically motivated evangelists, almost everyone in America has become illiterate and image-oriented. Brand-focused. Our mythos has devolved into chronos and logos, neither of which allow for the reconciliation of myriad perceptions. There’s a bit too much right and wrong (or Right and Left), too much emotionally charged knee-jerk reaction, and not enoug
Dirty Tricks with the Bible: Karl Roveh thought.
This is because hot-button issues like third-trimester fetuses or the War on Terrorism provoke responses more easily. As Karl Rove learned early on, send people letters saying that your opponent wants to make the Bible illegal, and they’ll get up in arms (he actually did this). When people are encouraged to regress to a childlike state, they make more immature decisions, and cling to less dimensional, parental understandings of deity.
It is too late to entertain these notions as a first step in bringing people out of the hypnosis perpetrated by their political and so-called religious leaders. It’s time to get tougher.
For a rabbi in America, that’s a lot harder to do than for a secular writer. There are people depending on you to uphold their understanding of who God is. I mean, don’t you have people come to you who believe outrageous things? Don’t you want to whack them on the head? Is it only those who come with spirited intellectual arguments who get the full weight of your rabbinic perspective? Or do you also lay it on those with superstitious and regressed relationships to God?
In other words, I know there’s a line you won’t cross on the Godlessness side of the equation. Is there a line you won’t cross on the other?
—Douglas
From: Andy Bachman
To: Douglas Rushkoff
Subject: The Messiah’s not coming anytime soon
Dear Douglas,
When I was Hillel director at NYU, a young student came into my office after 9/11, clearly traumatized by the event, and explained to me that after smoking marijuana for the past several days, getting no sleep, and desperately trying to understand what suddenly made her world into a radically different place, she concluded, “I think the Messiah is coming.”
I said, “No, he’s not. Some very bad people did horrific things with their sick human ingenuity and killed thousands of people. You need help.” And I got her to a counselor on campus to help her lay off the pot and try to see things a bit more clearly.
Though God is not a means, in dark times such as these God gets used as a means by all manner of people, on every shade of the spectrum. During certain traumatic spasms of history, this is what some people do with God. One of the only exceptions was the communist and fascist governments’ slaughter of millions of Europeans. Both Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia were godless secular madhouses, which, as historians have pointed out, erected religious-like rites around their totalitarian leadership and placed an atheist Almighty at the center.
When people can’t explain the world or regret losing control over events, they reach for an all-encompassing answer—God, religion, system—and find comfort there. No news in my
$70 Billion in Tax Cuts: The Golden Calf in 2006? telling you that!
It takes a long time for people to catch on, but once they do, as with anything else (fashion, music, rumors, and so on) fervor spreads like wildfire. That’s what we have with religion in America and religion in the world today. Generations have allowed long-neglected problems (poverty, war, scarce resources) to fester, so they seek solutions in the apocalyptic brush of reactionary, religious paint. To the innocent, religion is a salve, a refuge, a comfort from the storm of societal dystopia. But one look at President Bush signing into permanent law $70 billion in tax cuts in front of a rogue’s gallery of well-fed white males, and you have a whole new Golden Calf incident all over again.
Here’s what I mean.
Moses is up on the Mountain, trying to get it right. The people down below don’t have the time. They want nothing less than immediate answers, and they want it to look good, too. And so resources are consolidated, transformed into a material, golden, divine being, and delivered as the redemptive tool to a mass hungering for instant gratification.
Sound familiar?
To our ever-enduring tragedy, the Calf is reborn over and over as a cultural and historical motif throughout history.
By the way, to finally answer your question: I have never chased anyone out of my office Shammai style. I definitely strive to take the Hillel approach for certain stubborn minds: What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. The rest is commentary. Go and learn.
If only people would listen!
—Andy
Next: "God-centered fascism" or the root of our highest ideals?
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Anonymous
Hitler wasn't an atheist
The exact nature of Hitler's beliefs are in some doubt, because he courted both the Catholic and anti-Catholic lobbies in about equal measure. But there is no doubt he was no atheist. The motto of the Wehrmacht was "Gott mit uns", God be with us! It saddens me to see supposed intellectuals continually using this canard. Atheism has no creed, if an atheist does something evil then it cannot be their atheism that drives them! Keep the debate relevant, please.
Anonymous
anonymous
"anonymous." i'm speaking broadly in talking about fascism in nazi germany and stalinst russia as essentially "godless" regimes. if anything, hitler's choreography of nazi ideology replaced the official church. that's my point. use your name, by the way. it makes the encounter that much more genuine.
Anonymous
If God does exist
There are so many ways one can develop a conjecture, but if you really want to tackle a different conjecture than what has been going on with the "Prager and Harris" debate then you might ask what diffence does it make if God does exist?
The ground covered by the subjectivity in the last question has already been covered.
Anonymous
Difference
This is Andy by the way--I can't seem to get this particular "talk-back" technology to call me anything other than "anonymous"--GOD DAMN IT!
Anyway, when you ask "what difference does it make if God does exist," I suppose you're asking a "philosophical" question that can't be answered with certainty, except to ask people's subjective opinions.
So if it's so important for you to win the small battle about God's definition as real or not on the grounds that it's "subjective," be my guest. It doesn't make much difference to a guy like me.
I'm just talking about it, not trying to "prove" it.
As for the Harris-Prager debate--look pal, I wrote this dialogue sometime in the summer, long before I knew there'd ever be a Harris-Prager debate. And as for the very terms "Harris-Prager" or even "Rushkoff-Bachman" I am certainly under no delusion that these are nothing less than a few flashy moments on the anesthetizing internet.
There's nothing covered here that even approximates the depth and range of certain medieval disputations or, obviously, classical Greek philosophy.
Harris, Prager, Rushkoff and Bachman. We'd all be richer and happier if it were just a law firm.
Max Bell
Insanity is being a minority of one.
Is God still relevant?
As a Jewcomer and Jewtard on the subject of Jewish Identity* and a self-hating atheist, I'm amused by how often the subject deteriorates (particularly among trolls, hecklers in the peanut gallery, and the self-identified 'differently Jewish' of specific, yet-quantifiably-superior or authentically differentiated Jewishness), how often all roads lead to an "I'm more Jewish" pissing-match.
*My catch-all expression for a subject related to such pissing contests and shares a common phrasing with a subject best understood and explained by Jews who know something about being Jewish, i.e. the opposite of me.
Join the conversation and STFU. ^6^,
1. Atheism versus your Mom is NY-Grade, G-d versus Jeebus-class Holiday Filler, and don't think all the little trailer-park Babtists and midwestern all-you-can-eat evangelists aren't playing the home version of the televised game show themselves this season. Let the Jones' keep up with the Jones', but capitalizing on a seasonal editorial bandwagon? If, like the three-story hockey stick at Expo 86 that the Vancouver papers declared was "a national symbol of how desperate we are for national symbols", if the subject of Jewish identity is so dire that even who one screws is a branded subject of concern for one's faith, can Jewish Identity(tm) truly afford to snub it's most venerated stereotype?
2) The Prager-Harris Exchange was Jewish only to the extent that that Prager dude seemed to be wearing one of those little hats and used some different words than like what they got on Trinity Broadcast Network (Proud Sponsor of Team Christ NASCAR racing).
Sheket Bavakasha, Seattle
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