Neal -

I love your ump# story - But I think it WAY more profound than I think you do?

The thrid way - "booming, buzzing confusion" is the sound i hear in my ears, in my mind and in my heart. That is the messiness that is closer to a bigger picture, never the whole picture, but ever-so-slightly more honest.

I'm not sure that it's 'no help to anyone' - it's no help if you are trying to make logical sense of it all - to put things in to nice liniar - trains of thought - but confusion - messiness multiple views - multiple realities, multiple coliding worlds - is very helpful - if you've given up trying to make sense of the world in a conventional manner and just accept whatever it is that we are part of as it is.

OK - so my own view of - pre-history as you call it is VERY confusing!

Evolution and Creation are the same thing - but just different views of the same process.

I belive BOTH - that the world is approximately 15 Billion years old and also Literally 5768? years young.

Simply because Time is relative depending on where you are in or outside? of the Universe

Moreover, it is Conscious Humankind's viewing of the world that Makes it actually exist - and there it didn't exist at all previous to 5768 years ago.

If everything is God - what are you? What are you a fraction - image of?

all this need a bit more explaining - but for now - you gonna have to think I'm simplistic - which I am - of course not.

Helen - THANKS xXx