Zbird, yeah, I agree with you. I'm not saying that all Orthodox are ethnocentrist; it's just that I think transcending ethnocentrism ultimately must involve discarding our legalisms about "who is a Jew?" And we can't do that without a schism from the Orthodox. Our Jewishness will no longer be reliable to them. We really will end up like a new group of Samaritans, people who identify as Jewish but who traditionalists regard as irretrievably polluted, no longer authentically Jewish.