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What New Atheism?

There's been a lot of talk about the "New Atheism" recently. Last week, I confessed to not having a clue what distinguished "new" atheism from "old," and not for a lack of acquaintance with atheist ideas, past and present. The Damon Linker piece Stefan links to below is helpful in that it both acknowledges that the supposedly identifying feature of "new" atheism isn't new at all, and also gives a historical and analytic account of atheism's two strands. Unfortunately, Linker's analysis is barely more rigorous than Matthew Yglesias's (new atheists are jerks; old atheists were not), which is unsurprising given how superficial his understanding of the history of the relevant ideas is.

According to Linker, there are two basic approaches (for lack of a better term) to atheism, "one primarily concerned with the dispassionate pursuit of truth, the other driven by a visceral contempt for the personal faith of others." True, the latter is relatively newer than the former, but since each stretches back at least to the 18th century, 'old' and 'new' aren't terribly informative descriptions of them. So Linker goes with "Liberal Atheists" (the good kind) versus "Ideological Atheists" (the bad kind).

The deficiencies in Linker's argument come to the fore almost immediately. Among the liberal atheists are: Socrates, Sextus Empiricus, Rousseau, Locke, Hume, and Kant. Among the ideological atheists are: Comte, Feuerbach, Marx, Nietzsche, Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens. Some prima facie objections: In what sense can Socrates or the ancient stoics plausibly be called "liberals" (or "atheists," for that matter)? In what sense can their liberalism, whatever on earth it might consist in, be comparable to the liberalism of the Enlightenment? What is the common ideology uniting Feuerbach, Nietzsche, and Dennett? (Illiberalism, apparently. More on that in a moment.)

Let's pause on just a few of Linker's examples. I have in front of me a copy of David Hume's Enquiry. Hume, let us recall, is supposed to be a liberal atheist. Here are the famous concluding lines of his masterwork:

When we run over libraries, persuaded of these principles, what havoc must we make? If we take in our hand any volume; of divinity or school metaphysics, for instance; let us ask, Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to the flames: For it can contain nothing but sophistry or illusion.

Granted, this isn't quite as radical an idea as Diderot's hope of strangling the last king with the entrails of the last priest, but it is at least as radical as Sam Harris's proposal that public schools "announce the death of God." In fact, simply announcing the death of God is considerably less likely to halt the transmission of religious belief to younger generations than burning all books of theology. Perhaps Linker should have another go at explaining how it is that Hume belongs to one intellectual tradition and Sam Harris another, and try harder this time. For that matter, perhaps he can explain why having public schools instruct children to proclaim "one nation under God" every morning is a liberal value. (I must pause here to observe that misinterpreting David Hume seems to be a stock in trade of TNR writers. As I explain at some length here, whereof Linker and Leon Wieseltier cannot speak, thereof they should remain silent.)

Linker's remaining examples are similarly risible. Socrates, presumably in virtue of the fact that Plato records him as questioning the preconceived beliefs of his fellow Athenians, is counted among the liberal atheists. Presumably this is so because there is no other evidence of any kind that Socrates was an atheist, let alone that atheism in the modern sense is a concept that can be applied to ancient Athens. (Linker, noting that Aristophanes' inculpation of Socrates in The Clouds contributed to the latter's execution, seems to be endorsing the idea that Aristophanes' accusations were accurate.) In the Phaedo, by contrast, Socrates recounts for his followers an elaborate myth of creation and reincarnation, and as he approaches his death, instructs Crito to sacrifice a cock to Asclepius. (Needless to say, Linker completely elides the difficulty inherent to attributing any views to Socrates in light of the fact that everything we know of Socrates' beliefs is filtered through Plato, and further, that Plato, as a proponent of a kind of totalitarian aristocracy, is hardly an exemplar of the liberal politics Linker seeks to foist on Plato's teacher.)

Likewise, Sextus Empiricus' beliefs are just totally incongruous to modern ideas of theism and atheism. I leave it to readers to decide whether Sextus' claims that we should suspend all judgments, that the acquisition of knowledge is impossible, and that we should live our lives utterly indifferent to whether we are on a torture rack or in the throes of ecstasy, constitute a hitherto unrecognized thread of the liberal atheist tradition, or whether instead including Sextus in the liberal atheist camp is a desperate effort to get recalcitrant data to fit a theoretical procrustean bed. It's worth noting, however, that the Pyrrhonian cosmology --- eternal recurrence of the same --- is also Nietzsche's cosmology.* Yet Sextus and Nietzsche, neither of them atheists in the same sense that Hitchens, Dennett, and Dawkins are, sit on opposite sides of Linker's divide. Funny, that.

We can go on. Kant represents liberal atheism? But Kant was not an atheist, and whether or not he can meaningfully be called a liberal is very much up for debate. (I say he can't.) Kant and Hume both belong to the same camp? But Kant and Hume sit at opposite poles of the most contentious debate of Enlightenment philosophy, namely empiricism vs. rationalism. Rousseau's skepticism was "self-limiting"? Are we talking about the same Rousseau whose policy prescriptions for education are as radical as anything in Plato (let alone Sam Harris), and who advocated government acting according to a "general will" which might not bear any actual relation to the preferences of the governed? Etc. etc. Read all of Linker if you don't believe me that every single example he adduces in support of his analysis is historically or theoretically confused, and that every thinker he cites could be construed according to criteria he provides as belonging to either of his camps.

The reason Linker's distinction is so historically flimsy, that his proffered exemplars of each tradition could just as easily belong to the other, is that it is not a conceptual distinction, and no logical rule precludes maintaining both sets of beliefs that Linker suggests characterize each camp: There is nothing inconsistent in affirming, on the one hand, that people should be free to reach their own conclusions about ontological and theological questions, and on the other hand, that certain answers to ontological and theological questions deserve contempt. Nor is there anything illiberal in trying to convince one's peers of the rightness of a certain view, provided one makes no effort to coerce them.

Conceding this point without realizing it, Linker writes that

[T]he tone of today's atheist tracts is so unremittingly hostile that one wonders if their authors really mean it when they express the hope, as Dawkins does in a representative passage, that "religious readers who open [The God Delusion] will be atheists when they put it down." Exactly how will such conversions be accomplished?

Well, so what? The fact that Hitchens, Dawkins, and Harris adopt a hostile tone doesn't mean that they don't wish to persuade anyone. They could have simply embraced a poor strategy for persuasion. Even if so, their strategy is at least as effective for persuading believers as the one Linker endorses in citing the example of Sidney Hook: quietly noting that the evidence for theism is minimal, and observing that religious belief is a comfort for many people against loneliness and fear of cosmic meaninglessness (Marx made this observation too, by the way, and in fairly stirring language). Is the idea supposed to be that believers who read Hook's line on religion, finding his civility irresistible, will take the next possible opportunity to resign from their congregations and join the closest chapter of the Ethical Culture Society?

Or is the idea, instead, supposed to be that to try to persuade one's peers that their beliefs are false is in and of itself illiberal? I suspect this is indeed Linker's argument, as I can't find any other way to interpret the conjunction of the purely descriptive claim that

[A]lthough I may settle the question of God to my personal satisfaction, it is highly unlikely that all of my fellow citizens will settle it in the same way--that differences in life experience, social class, intelligence, and the capacity for introspection will invariably prevent a free community from reaching unanimity about the fundamental mysteries of human existence, including God.

with the claim that atheists like Hitchens, Dawkins, and Harris cannot accept this state of affairs. Since all three of them do in fact acknowledge that this description of the world is true, in what sense can they not accept it? The fact that it is "highly unlikely" that a free society will reach unanimity about theological questions does not entail that it is impermissible to both pose and answer such questions in a public forum. Either Hitchens, Dawkins, and Harris' beliefs about religion are true, or they're false. If they're false, then by all means refute them. If they're true, then adopt them. The tone in which they are expressed doesn't enter the calculation.

*Well, there's a question in both cases of whether eternal recurrence should be interpreted literally or as a heuristic device.



Daniel Koffler is a Clarendon Scholar and graduate student in philosophy at the University of Oxford.


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linkerda


oops

Daniel -- Next time you set out to correct someone you might want to get the basic facts straight. These are the thinkers I described as "liberal atheists" in my article: Socrates, Lucretius, Sextus Empiricus, Montaigne, Albert Camus, and Primo Levi. Note that Rousseau, Hume, and Kant are not among them. I mention them at another point in the essay, in another context. Much of your post therefore involves a refutation of a phantom of your imagination.

Damon Linker





Daniel Koffler


Well, let's think this through

Firstly, one assumes that the liberal atheist/ ideological atheist distinction is a gradient, not a binary division. It is furthermore, a distinction which you maintain throughout the entire piece and without which the piece would make no sense, not just a cursory throwaway line. Hume and Kant come up in the context of the development of "another atheist tradition" to which these two are contrasted, as examples of thinkers who you interpret --- in the same vein as Hook --- as countenancing public recognition of religion whatever their personal views.

Here is the sentence in which Rousseau is referred to (along with Kant, again), and the sentence immediately following: "Anaxagoras, Protagoras, Aristotle, Avicenna, Averroes, Descartes, Spinoza, Rousseau, and Kant are just a few of the writers who faced hostility, some of it violent. Fear of such persecution led many atheists to express their views with a tentativeness quite unlike the bold declarations of today's unbelievers, who write and think in conditions of political freedom." You go on to speculate in the next few sentences that it was not just a desire for self-preservation that motivated their reticence, but also the "self-limiting character of their skepticism."

So, by the light of your division of atheist traditions, and by the light of your attribution of atheism to them, each of these figures has to fall somewhere, and it's clear from your discussion which side you place them on.

Secondly, I assume the point about it being preposterous to think of Socrates or Sextus Empiricus as atheists goes through.  I didn't mention this, but the same is plainly true of Anaxagoras --- a pre-Socratic about whom we know next to nothing, on what grounds could you possibly have decided to incorporate him into your framework? --- as well as Aristotle, and the Muslim philosophers you mention who, far from being atheists, were effectively the Thomists of their cultures, recapitulating Aristotle to meet the demands of piety as they understood it.

Thirdly, the fundamental point is that the very idea of a conceptual distinction between liberal atheism and ideological atheism is misguided, given that, by the terms you define them, they are not conceptually incompatible. For many of the thinkers you cite, we have little to no clue what their personal feelings about religious faith were. For others, the clues we have point towards a contempt comparable to that of Hitchens, Dawkins et al. Yet they are still able to respect liberal pluralism. By the criteria you set out, just about any of the thinkers you refer to could come down on either side. It's a meaningless distinction.

All you're left with is conflating efforts to persuade people with efforts to coerce them.  





Daniel Koffler


And further....

In the philosophy room we like to speak of theoretical commitments. You can't introduce a framework like the liberal/ideological atheism distinction, give (informal) conceptual analyses of each and criteria by which to judge cases, and then pretend that the concepts apply when and only when you say so.



Recursive Prophet


Is Daniel Koffler a person, or a Cabal?

I continue to be amazed at your prolificacy Daniel, with such consistent quality. Be assured your efforts are much appreciated and very instructive.





shriber1


Empty words all around

"The deficiencies in Linker's argument come to the fore almost immediately. Among the liberal atheists are: Socrates, Sextus Empiricus, Rousseau, Locke, Hume, and Kant. Among the ideological atheists are: Comte, Feuerbach, Marx, Nietzsche, Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens."

 

The problem with a list such as this one isn't whether Kant or Hume belong on it or not. The problem is that people like Dawkins and especially Hitchens and Harris can't be compared to Locke, Kant, Nietzche, etc.

 

The comparison is too risible for words.

 

Dawkins is a scientists and an ideologe who has no idea about the nature of philosophical discourse while Hitchens is a second rate thinker without an original thought in his brain.

 

I don't see Socrates,  Rousseau or Kant  as atheists, but Nietzsche and Darwin (who unaccountably is not on the list) whatever one thinks of them are both modern atheists and original thinkers.

 

Nietzsche and Darwin were also on opposite sides on the question of what science is. To Nietzsche, Darwin was still religious in as much as he had a teleological view of nature while I would surmise that to Darwin Nietzsche's nihilism would have been incomprehensible.

 

The division isn't between old and new atheism it's between intelligent atheism and warmed over atheism.

 

 

 

 





David Strauss


Re: Empty words all around

"[...] while Hitchens is a second rate
thinker without an original thought in his brain."

This is where I stopped reading.





linkerda


"the philosophy room?"

The point of my essay was not to make a distinction between theoretical commitments. (Did I say a single word to indicate that I think any of the atheists are wrong to deny the existence of God?) It was to distinguish between HOW those commitments are held by different kinds of atheists. Maybe in "the philosophy room" that is a distinction without a difference, but in the "political philosophy room" the difference matters quite a lot.

As for my list of thinkers, we'd have to go through each of them, one at a time, which I'm not inclined to do in a blog comment box. Perhaps we could set up a seminar some time, with you instructing me and Leon Wieseltier on the ins and outs of the philosophical tradition.





Anonymous


This is where I stopped reading.

Your loss, David Strauss.





Daniel Koffler


No, Damon

I'm not sure what the "distinction between theoretical commitments" locution is supposed to mean. We're not talking about the theoretical commitments of various philosophers to their own views, and whether or not they are true to them and/or justified in being so. You made one theoretical commitment to a particular distinction, which you persist in applying completely ad hoc. Imagine someone writes an essay about the distinction between married men and bachelors, describes a few men as unmarried, and then objects to the inference that those unmarried men are bachelors.

You claim that there are two general ways to hold a commitment to atheist beliefs --- two answers to the "how" question. And in your discussion of Hume, Kant, and Rousseau, you characterize their manner of holding beliefs as falling under the liberal atheism concept as you've defined it, and in contrast to the ideological atheism concept. Then you come here to claim that I'm off base in describing Hume, Kant, and Rousseau as liberal atheists by your lights. But that is what you've committed yourself to. I can see why you want to walk it back --- they're all terrible examples for your case. The problem is with your case. There is no such division of atheist traditions. Hume is a particularly important counterexample because he a) is the father of modern philosophical atheism, b) is one of the fathers of the modern liberal tradition, and c) held religious beliefs in contempt.




Anonymous


About the Hitch

Hey David, what original idea did he ever have?

As a Hitch lover you would know wouldn't you?

 

 

Here is one unoriginal and ugly idea he had:

 

"Minority Report by Christopher Hitchens"

"Wiesel Words"

 

"Is there a more contemptible poseur and windbag than Elie Wiesel? I suppose there may be. But not, surely, a poseur and windbag who receives (and takes as his due) such grotesque deference on moral questions."

 http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20010219&s=hitchens

Hitchens goes on to quote the so called "Israel Shamir" whose real name is Jöran Jermas and is a Swedish antisemite.

Hitchens wrote the above in the days when he still was a friend of the Holocaust denier David Irving.

But of course David Strauss won't be reading this since he refuses to read anything negative about his hero Hitchens.

 





David N. Friedman


Parsing atheism

I believe that many things Daniel Koffler has said about Damon Linker have validity. However, even if we agree that Linker has it wrong--we disagree on the basic subject.

Koffler should understand that Linker is making distinctions which are off the mark because Linker is a classical liberal and this is what liberals do. They are full of subtlety and nuance and wish to be free of the clarity of the "new atheists." For Linker--atheism is great--one should not, however, be strong and clear about it. This is hardly a brave stand. Linker wants to keep a little mystery in one's reality and sees a battle between two absolutes with wondrous liberalism in the middle. "Dogmatic faith and dogmatic doubt" may indeed be polar opposites and it is nice to say that life is lived in a grey zone. It is apparent that Linker may accuse the new atheists with mindlessness but this is only an argument against their tone--as Daniel Koffler correctly observes.

And yet, Koffler for all of his righteousness concerning the invalid distinctions made by Linker does not seem to take the stand in favor of God and against atheism.





Anonymous


"Prolificacy"

He's not prolific, he's incontinent.

(And yes, I stole that, but it seems all too apt.)





shriber1


to love the Torah more than God!

"And yet, Koffler...does not seem to take the stand in favor of God and against atheism."

Well, I am not for atheism, but I am also not in favor of God. I am in favor of Jewish culture, though.

 

It was Levinas, I believe, who wrote an essay titled, "To Love the Torah more than God."

 

If you don't know who Levinas is google him.  


 





Anonymous


Atheism? Theism?  Much of

Atheism? Theism?  Much of it is fodder for a debating society.  "No, you categorized x and y, improperly."  "No, you misunderstood z's intent."  Or worse, "No, you can't say that about Hitch or Dawkins" - the pit falls of the cult of personality.  I care little for Hitchens, because I can talk to a fifteen year old and get the same contrarian polemics minus the heliocentric egotism.  But this isn't foreign to contemporary 'thought' is it now?  "I'll take one position and try to tear yours down."  Really, what's the point?





Anonymous


Really, what's the point?

If you don't like to discuss issues these forum are not for you.





Anonymous


There's a difference between

There's a difference between discussion and grandstanding.





Anonymous




Duncan


on liberalism and disagreement

Daniel, the whole piece was good, but I especially liked your closing comments. They reminded me of something Paul Feyerabend wrote, in Science in a Free Society (1978), while shredding Ernest Gellner's review of Against Method:

"Nor does one become illiberal when denying truth to a
Puritan. Liberalism, as Gellner ought to
know, is a doctrine about institutions
and not about individual beliefs. It does not regulate individual beliefs, it
says that nothing may be excluded from the debate. A liberal is not a mealymouthed wishy-washy
nobody who understands nothing and forgives everything, he is a man or a woman
with occasionally quite strong and dogmatic beliefs among them the belief that
ideas must not be removed by institutional means. Thus, being a liberal, I do not have to admit
that Puritans have a chance of finding truth.
All I am required to do is to let them have their say and not to stop
them by institutional means. But of
course I may write pamphlets against them and ridicule them for their strange
opinions."

The whole essay is worth your attention.





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