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THE CABAL
Romney's Stupid and Insulting Speech

"Let me assure you that no authorities of my church, or of any other church for that matter, will ever exert influence on presidential decisions. Their authority is theirs, within the province of church affairs, and it ends where the affairs of the nation begin."

Had Mitt Romney simply left it at that, he'd have passed the biggest sniff-test on his religion by giving the public a sworn commitment to which it could hold him. This is what JFK did, greasing the wheels for his own galloping folly of an administration.

Yet I can't see how Romney's speech, taken as a whole, doesn't come off as anything other than a verbal and philosophical disaster. Take this fatuous remark:

"We separate church and state affairs in this country, and for good reason. No religion should dictate to the state nor should the state interfere with the free practice of religion. But in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the religion of secularism. They are wrong.

There is no such thing as the "religion of secularism." It ranks not as even a cute form of semantic jujitsu. An atheist who goes to the Supreme Court asking that his son be excused from delivering a pledge of allegiance with the words "Under God" in it is an atheist who chooses not to be anesthetized by warm consensus and to hold the First Amendment to its own clear language. There is nothing "religious" in this. Laws exist either to be broken or upheld. Although it is refreshing to see the faithful using the term pejoratively, sneeringly for a change -- if only they followed this line of thought to its logical conclusion.

"The founders proscribed the establishment of a state religion, but they did not countenance the elimination of religion from the public square. We are a nation 'Under God' and in God, we do indeed trust.

 

"Under God" was a phrase used by Lincoln in the Gettysburg Address. It was then added, at the bullying insistence of the Catholic Knights of Columbus, to the pledge of allegiance in 1954 as way of underscoring our providential mission in the cold war. In neither case is this meaningless preposition a gift from the founders.

But what should really set one's teeth on edge is this bit from Romney's speech:

And you can be certain of this: Any believer in religious freedom, any person who has knelt in prayer to the Almighty, has a friend and ally in me.

A fine follow-up sentence would be: "So do those Americans without belief." Alas, too bad for Mitt. I wasn't voting for him anyway, but now I count him a political enemy.



Michael is a contributing editor of Jewcy. His work has appeared in Slate, Gawker, New York, Democratiya, The New Criterion and The Weekly Standard. His blog is Snarksmith.


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David N. Friedman


Where is the insult?

OK, Michael--"stupid and insulting" is quite an allegation.  You have penned nothing to back it up.  Your punch line makes no sense.  He is making this speech to blunt criticism from Christians that he is not like them.  The speech was designed to refute that sentiment. It has been very warmly received and he is getting a bit boost from it, while you refuse to even try to comprehend its content.

When Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama make some kind of foreign policy speech, might they be bashed for failing to talk about the American homeland?

Romney's speech was about religion and politics in America.  Got it?  It was designed to bring all Americans together and decipher what is unique about our nation.  There is no trouble when fine people try to describe unifying themes--it is inspiring and unifying.  When the left brings out their laudry list of special interests, heaven forbid, someone is not left out.  This is the difference between the political left and right.

 The left seeks to divide and choose their favorites.  The right seeks to inspire and appeal to all Americans.

It is some serious tunnel vision that brings you to observe that Mitt Romney is ignoring people when he is attempting to include everyone, by implication. This raises the whole problem of how you could possibly be a leftist since the whole point of the left is the choose sides and point fingers.  One must take from one man and give it to another man, presumably the "better" person. 

If you deny that the Founding Fathers were anything but Bible bent fundamentalists, you simply do not know anything about the history of America.  Romney's speech is layered in themes also put forward by Washington and Lincoln and so many others.  Honoring America has no downside--except for leftists who believe that America did not exist until it found atheism and socialism in the recent past.

Romney's challenge to you is for you to agree that someone does not have to be an atheist and a socialist to be a good American?    The intolerance of the left is legendary.  By contrast, the Founding Fathers, in their Bible based fundamentalism, have created the freedom for atheists and socialists to have nirvana in America.  

The pertinent question remains: having reached such power and influence, will the Left ever allow a proud Jew or a proud Mormon  equal standing in the socialist heaven they are attempting to create?  I think it is clear the answer to this question is :"never."

The answer to the question will "Romney's" America be kind and open to all--is obvious.  Failing to miss the obvious, there is a  substantial secularlist influence that is rampant in our schools and in the public square.  It is so great that it has most of the country in an uproar about it.  If some leftist fails to notice, it is because they view it only as normal.  America has quickly dropped its national character and replace it with a secular political correctness that is legendary.  





Michael Weiss


There is no trouble when

There is no trouble when fine people try to describe unifying themes--it is inspiring and unifying. When the left brings out their laudry list of special interests, heaven forbid, someone is not left out. This is the difference between the political left and right.

By this logic, then, Romney plainly fails. My gripe against him, if you read my post, is that he chooses to include Americans of no belief whatsoever in his category of "friends" and "allies." There are plenty of us, and so if his speech was, as you say, all about "religion and politics in America," don't you see this as a rather stark elision?

As for inclusiveness, Romney was a Mormon missionary in France when his religion still sanctified racism and prohibited blacks from becoming members.

If you deny that the Founding Fathers were anything but Bible bent fundamentalists, you simply do not know anything about the history of America.

To give one famous example, Thomas Jefferson took a razor to the Bible, excising all passages he found to be anathema to common sense. He as a Founding Father, and this one anecdote disproves your charge of fundamentalism.

Romney's challenge to you is for you to agree that someone does not have to be an atheist and a socialist to be a good American?

Nowhere do I name this as some metric for judging who is and isn't a "good American," nor do I think Mitt Romney had socialists in mind when he delivered his pathetic speech.

 





David N. Friedman


An unfounded gripe

Michael, it is fine and well to not like Mitt Romney and to indicate you would never vote for him. It is quite another to judge him so unfairly.

The secularists that he highlighted in his speech are, to generalize, socialists.

The sense that the FF were Bible thumpers is accurate but it is a generalization. Some cite Thomas Paine as a non-believer. Jefferson's theology was clearly his own, he was a free thinker and he did object to passages in the Bible--mostly from the so called New Testament. But even for Jefferson, let's be fair-minded. He revered the Bible and he considered it the most important document he ever read--and he was very well-read. One can pick dozens of passages in Jefferson's writings that indicate his agreement with the Bible and Romney is not here as a "fundamentalist"--rather, only as one who values "Judeo-Christian values. Even the alleged Bible questioner Jefferson is fairly assessed to have been to the right of Romney.





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